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@reprobate I see your angle now, and I'm well in favour of taking the piss out of ISIS in any way possible. But I obviously don't completely agree, I think the fact the authorities have had to erect bollards as a constant reminder to everyone that a crazed nutjob following a certain ideology may ram his fucking truck into a bunch of pedestrians is a pretty significant impact on our way of life.
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@No-Quarter said in Another attack in London:
@reprobate I see your angle now, and I'm well in favour of taking the piss out of ISIS in any way possible. But I obviously don't completely agree, I think the fact the authorities have had to erect bollards as a constant reminder to everyone that a crazed nutjob following a certain ideology may ram his fucking truck into a bunch of pedestrians is a pretty significant impact on our way of life.
The major security measures (including military on the streets in some countries), together with the enormous resources expended in connection with all this would indicate that the impact has been rather significant. If it isn't a significant impact then I'm not sure what point you have to get to before you can say it is.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
@No-Quarter said in Another attack in London:
@reprobate I see your angle now, and I'm well in favour of taking the piss out of ISIS in any way possible. But I obviously don't completely agree, I think the fact the authorities have had to erect bollards as a constant reminder to everyone that a crazed nutjob following a certain ideology may ram his fucking truck into a bunch of pedestrians is a pretty significant impact on our way of life.
The major security measures (including military on the streets in some countries), together with the enormous resources expended in connection with all this would indicate that the impact has been rather significant. If it isn't a significant impact then I'm not sure what point you have to get to before you can say it is.
And that's the question - when will people take their heads out of the sand and say enough is enough? How bad does it have to get? When do we start heeding the words of people like Imam Tawhidi and take meaningful action to try prevent these attacks from occuring, instead of just being the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff?
This problem isn't getting any better, and the rise of Identity Politics/Neo-Marxism is preventing so many of us from even calling a spade a spade, let alone doing anything to stop it.
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The thing that shits me a wee bit in regard to so many of these attacks is that the authorities are often pretty bloody quick in picking up some or all of the perps. This leads me to believe that they know who these guys are but are powerless to do anything until they actually kill someone.
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@Catogrande said in Another attack in London:
The thing that shits me a wee bit in regard to so many of these attacks is that the authorities are often pretty bloody quick in picking up some or all of the perps. This leads me to believe that they know who these guys are but are powerless to do anything until they actually kill someone.
Yeah, can you imagine how frustrating it must be for the police that track these guys. Too many to monitor, and basically powerless to do anything about people they know are completely nuts until it's too late. I don't envy them at all, and in fairness they do a good job when you look at the large number of attacks that are thwarted, but they are only treating the symptoms of the problem.
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@No-Quarter said in Another attack in London:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
@No-Quarter said in Another attack in London:
@reprobate I see your angle now, and I'm well in favour of taking the piss out of ISIS in any way possible. But I obviously don't completely agree, I think the fact the authorities have had to erect bollards as a constant reminder to everyone that a crazed nutjob following a certain ideology may ram his fucking truck into a bunch of pedestrians is a pretty significant impact on our way of life.
The major security measures (including military on the streets in some countries), together with the enormous resources expended in connection with all this would indicate that the impact has been rather significant. If it isn't a significant impact then I'm not sure what point you have to get to before you can say it is.
And that's the question - when will people take their heads out of the sand and say enough is enough? How bad does it have to get? When do we start heeding the words of people like Imam Tawhidi and take meaningful action to try prevent these attacks from occuring, instead of just being the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff?
This problem isn't getting any better, and the rise of Identity Politics/Neo-Marxism is preventing so many of us from even calling a spade a spade, let alone doing anything to stop it.
What do you propose? I'm not saying that your contention is wrong but how do you fit that kind of approach in with upholding the very freedoms of society (innocent until proven guilty) that we have fought for in the past.
I don't disagree that sometimes the lengths that officials go to to uphold the rights of criminals appear stupid but to me a lot of that is also the price we pay for living in a 'free' society.
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@No-Quarter said in Another attack in London:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
@No-Quarter said in Another attack in London:
@reprobate I see your angle now, and I'm well in favour of taking the piss out of ISIS in any way possible. But I obviously don't completely agree, I think the fact the authorities have had to erect bollards as a constant reminder to everyone that a crazed nutjob following a certain ideology may ram his fucking truck into a bunch of pedestrians is a pretty significant impact on our way of life.
The major security measures (including military on the streets in some countries), together with the enormous resources expended in connection with all this would indicate that the impact has been rather significant. If it isn't a significant impact then I'm not sure what point you have to get to before you can say it is.
And that's the question - when will people take their heads out of the sand and say enough is enough? How bad does it have to get? When do we start heeding the words of people like Imam Tawhidi and take meaningful action to try prevent these attacks from occuring, instead of just being the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff?
This problem isn't getting any better, and the rise of Identity Politics/Neo-Marxism is preventing so many of us from even calling a spade a spade, let alone doing anything to stop it.
What do you propose? I'm not saying that your contention is wrong but how do you fit that kind of approach in with upholding the very freedoms of society (innocent until proven guilty) that we have fought for in the past.
I don't disagree that sometimes the lengths that officials go to to uphold the rights of criminals appear stupid but to me a lot of that is also the price we pay for living in a 'free' society.
To be glib about it I would rather take my chances on the possibility of being caught up in an event than live in a police state.Yeah, I agree that some of the things hampering the police are the very same things that make our society great. But, that's only when trying to take action against nutjobs already in the country.
So, just my opinion, but...
The first thing that needs to happen is to stem the flow of immigration. These ideas around open borders, and "diversity is our strength" are based on fantasy. The world is nowhere near ready for open borders, not by a long shot. Immigration needs to be tightened up big time.
At the same time attention needs to turn to the Mosques that are allowing preachers of Wahabbi Islam to speak on a regular basis. This is where the so called "radicalisation" is occuring. Getting someone who already believes in Allah to take the next step and take up arms is not as bigger stretch as people think it is, as that very call to arms is actually written in the Koran. Which is why the numbers of "radical" Muslims is growing faster than police can track. These Mosques need to be shut down due to their direct links to terrorism.
As a side note the idea that there is this clear cut divide between "peaceful" Muslims and "radical" Muslims is complete nonsense. Many so called peaceful Muslims already have sympathy for groups like ISIS and practice many of the more fundamental parts of Islam.
But probably the most important thing people can do is throw their support behind Muslims that are desperate for reformation - and by that they mean to drop the political arm of Islam (the call to arms, Sharia Law etc) and embrace the spiritual elements only. People like Imam Tawhidi and Maajid Nawaz for example. They are critical in this battle of ideas, but are ostracized by much of the mainstream media, in particular the left leaning outlets.
And for fuck sakes stop giving vile scum like Linda Sarsour a platform!
That'd at least be a start anyway...
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@no-quarter Brexit could be an excellent first step in defeating radical Islam in the UK. What needs to follow on from there is going to be a hard sell though.
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Open borders are great until you run out of other people's neighbourhoods.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
Open borders are great until you run out of other people's neighbourhoods.
says the new zealander living in australia
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@reprobate said in Another attack in London:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
Open borders are great until you run out of other people's neighbourhoods.
says the new zealander living in australia
I know this is another one of your jokes, but moving to anther country legally by going through a controlled immigration process is not what is being discussed here.
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@reprobate said in Another attack in London:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
Open borders are great until you run out of other people's neighbourhoods.
says the new zealander living in australia
Could you please, just once, try to actually make a relevant, logical comment. The remark was not about immigration, it was about open borders. Im pretty sure even you understand the difference.
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@reprobate said in Another attack in London:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
Open borders are great until you run out of other people's neighbourhoods.
says the new zealander living in australia
Well that comment was completely retarded ... you going to claim it was another "joke"?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
@reprobate said in Another attack in London:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
Open borders are great until you run out of other people's neighbourhoods.
says the new zealander living in australia
Could you please, just once, try to actually make a relevant, logical comment. The remark was not about immigration, it was about open borders. Im pretty sure even you understand the difference.
Genuine question here. What open borders are relevant in this issue?
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@crucial said in Another attack in London:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
@reprobate said in Another attack in London:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
Open borders are great until you run out of other people's neighbourhoods.
says the new zealander living in australia
Could you please, just once, try to actually make a relevant, logical comment. The remark was not about immigration, it was about open borders. Im pretty sure even you understand the difference.
Genuine question here. What open borders are relevant in this issue?
Refer to @No-Quarter post above.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
@crucial said in Another attack in London:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
@reprobate said in Another attack in London:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
Open borders are great until you run out of other people's neighbourhoods.
says the new zealander living in australia
Could you please, just once, try to actually make a relevant, logical comment. The remark was not about immigration, it was about open borders. Im pretty sure even you understand the difference.
Genuine question here. What open borders are relevant in this issue?
Refer to @No-Quarter post above.
Probably directed to wrong person sorry. @No-Quarter s post raises the question. It doesn't answer it.
Where are these 'open borders'? There are controlled borders which people cheat to get through and there are asylum laws that get exploited by a few but there aren't 'open borders' (except Northern Island)
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