Amazon Alexa



  • A colleague from work has had an Amazon Alexa for a few months and thinks it's the bees knees. From what he is telling me about it, I'm nearly convinced to buy one.

    Any of you folk have this set up? Did you buy an expensive speaker system or the cheaper one?

    IF you have one, what do you use it for each day?



  • @hooroo bought the missus one and she basically just uses it for streaming crap music. The occasional weather forecast. Might be nice to link it all up to smart bulbs, heating etc but we're prolly gonna move so can't be arsed.

    She tells great jokes.



  • @bones said in Amazon Alexa:

    @hooroo bought the missus one and she basically just uses it for streaming crap music. The occasional weather forecast. Might be nice to link it all up to smart bulbs, heating etc but we're prolly gonna move so can't be arsed.

    She tells great jokes.

    Smart Bulbs?



  • @hooroo light bulbs...

    I have a really good boomerang joke but I've forgotten it.

    It'll come back to me.

    She, she's deadly.



  • @bones said in Amazon Alexa:

    @hooroo light bulbs...

    I have a really good boomerang joke but I've forgotten it.

    It'll come back to me.

    She, she's deadly.

    Take my money!!!



  • Alexa is no substitute for Aura.



  • They seem to be a popular addition to kitchens, so you can start timers or ask for measurement conversions without using your hands if they are dirty/occupied.

    Lots of extensions you can install to link to other services/applications.

    Amazon wants you to use it to order things, say like "Alexa add butter to my shopping list" and they deliver your goriceries. Stuff like that.



  • I'm uncomfortable with having Amazon listen in to all my conversations.



  • @kirwan said in Amazon Alexa:

    They seem to be a popular addition to kitchens, so you can start timers or ask for measurement conversions without using your hands if they are dirty/occupied.

    Lots of extensions you can install to link to other services/applications.

    Amazon wants you to use it to order things, say like "Alexa add butter to my shopping list" and they deliver your goriceries. Stuff like that.

    To tell you the truth that was a selling point for me, just saying what I needed added to grocery list etc when in the kitchen. I would also use when cooking whole cuts of meat to get internal temp recommendations.

    @antipodean that sort of thing doesn't bother me as I'm just a nobody amongst billions, I don't think they will be interested in my general chit chat



  • @hooroo

    You undervalue yourself. Amazon is what amazon is because it has managed to get people to pay for its services while also getting some of the most valuable information about them (what they want to buy).



  • @gt12 said in Amazon Alexa:

    @hooroo

    You undervalue yourself. Amazon is what amazon is because it has managed to get people to pay for its services while also getting some of the most valuable information about them (what they want to buy).

    But that's useful to me.

    I have never purchased anything from Amazon before. I probably would if prompted towards something I wanted/needed



  • That's how Amazon, Facebook and Google make their billions; people voluntarily giving up information to be easier to market to.

    There's two legitimate concerns:

    • what information am I giving them I'd prefer to keep to my household and how might this come back to bite me
    • what are they going to withhold to ensure I use their services more.


  • @hooroo

    No doubt it's useful.

    Just remember to turn it off if you go on a murderous rampage (link)



  • @antipodean said in Amazon Alexa:

    That's how Amazon, Facebook and Google make their billions; people voluntarily giving up information to be easier to market to.

    There's two legitimate concerns:

    • what information am I giving them I'd prefer to keep to my household and how might this come back to bite me
    • what are they going to withhold to ensure I use their services more.

    They aren't legitimate concerns for me.

    If in the future it comes back to bite, then more fool me, otherwise, my lifestyle is reasonably simple.

    Work, Horse Racing, Fishing, Golf and socialising. That's pretty much the guts of it.



  • @hooroo said in Amazon Alexa:

    @antipodean said in Amazon Alexa:

    That's how Amazon, Facebook and Google make their billions; people voluntarily giving up information to be easier to market to.

    There's two legitimate concerns:

    • what information am I giving them I'd prefer to keep to my household and how might this come back to bite me
    • what are they going to withhold to ensure I use their services more.

    They aren't legitimate concerns for me.

    If in the future it comes back to bite, then more fool me, otherwise, my lifestyle is reasonably simple.

    Work, Horse Racing, Fishing, Golf and socialising. That's pretty much the guts of it.

    You forgot sending dick picks. Or is that what you kids call "socialising" these days.



  • @no-quarter said in Amazon Alexa:

    @hooroo said in Amazon Alexa:

    @antipodean said in Amazon Alexa:

    That's how Amazon, Facebook and Google make their billions; people voluntarily giving up information to be easier to market to.

    There's two legitimate concerns:

    • what information am I giving them I'd prefer to keep to my household and how might this come back to bite me
    • what are they going to withhold to ensure I use their services more.

    They aren't legitimate concerns for me.

    If in the future it comes back to bite, then more fool me, otherwise, my lifestyle is reasonably simple.

    Work, Horse Racing, Fishing, Golf and socialising. That's pretty much the guts of it.

    You forgot sending dick picks. Or is that what you kids call "socialising" these days.

    Ha ha! No Face NO FACE!!! 🙂



  • @hooroo said in Amazon Alexa:

    @no-quarter said in Amazon Alexa:

    @hooroo said in Amazon Alexa:

    @antipodean said in Amazon Alexa:

    That's how Amazon, Facebook and Google make their billions; people voluntarily giving up information to be easier to market to.

    There's two legitimate concerns:

    • what information am I giving them I'd prefer to keep to my household and how might this come back to bite me
    • what are they going to withhold to ensure I use their services more.

    They aren't legitimate concerns for me.

    If in the future it comes back to bite, then more fool me, otherwise, my lifestyle is reasonably simple.

    Work, Horse Racing, Fishing, Golf and socialising. That's pretty much the guts of it.

    You forgot sending dick picks. Or is that what you kids call "socialising" these days.

    Ha ha! No Face NO FACE!!! 🙂

    not your face anyway



  • @antipodean said in Amazon Alexa:

    I'm uncomfortable with having Amazon listen in to all my conversations.

    It doesn't do that, it listens locally for an activation phrase then doesn't give up any more information than a google search.

    Think about the data storage you would need for millions of these recording anything it hears in a house. It's not practical, nor is any of the information useful. The searches are useful, and the data about what you buy is useful.

    Or do you have burner accounts when you buy anything online?



  • @kirwan said in Amazon Alexa:

    It doesn't do that, it listens locally for an activation phrase then doesn't give up any more information than a google search.

    Then it's different to Google which is always listening because the mathematical odds that Google can come up with the very thing I'm talking about when typing a few letters into the search bar on my phone are astronomically against it.

    That's before acknowledging that false positives exist.

    Or do you have burner accounts when you buy anything online?

    I have, but it's a simple data matching exercise when you look at the delivery address and name.

    I don't think it's paranoia when Zuckerburg and Chamath Palihapitiya won't use Facebook, just recognition that if you're not paying for the product, you are the product.



  • @antipodean said in Amazon Alexa:

    @kirwan said in Amazon Alexa:

    It doesn't do that, it listens locally for an activation phrase then doesn't give up any more information than a google search.

    Then it's different to Google which is always listening because the mathematical odds that Google can come up with the very thing I'm talking about when typing a few letters into the search bar on my phone are astronomically against it.

    That's before acknowledging that false positives exist.

    Or do you have burner accounts when you buy anything online?

    I have, but it's a simple data matching exercise when you look at the delivery address and name.

    I don't think it's paranoia when Zuckerburg and Chamath Palihapitiya won't use Facebook, just recognition that if you're not paying for the product, you are the product.

    You are jumping around all over the place, Google, Facebook and Amazon are not the same thing.

    Are you taking about typing a search into an Android phone? If so, there is a simple reason why that's not always listening to you - battery life. The phone would last an hour if it was doing that.

    There is potential that it's parsing what you are saying from when you pick up the phone, but I don't see the harm in that, especially if it delivers a more accurate search.

    I really hate that glib "you are the product" line. Google is an advertising company, no different in many ways to a Television station. They serve ads, and the more they know about you the more they can tailor the ads. No deep dark secret there.

    With Amazon, the interaction is even clearer. They want to sell you goods and services, so their information gathering is around predicting what you would like. Again, very transparent.

    Facebook is where I start to agree with you. Although I don't agree with your point about Zuckerberg not using it, if I was CEO and my employees had access to personal information I wouldn't use it much either.

    Facebook have been caught lying about why they gather information, and how they use it. Down to selling you and your friends phone numbers, or performing psychological tests on users without permission (the list goes on, they even used profile pictures in ads). Easy and completely valid to not trust them with any data.


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