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@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
He wouldn't want to go back there anyway. Most of them are already going to hell!!!
And that's just preseason bonding sessions....
Don't forget Mad Monday!!
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@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
In a move that surprises nobody, Folau starts talking to employment lawyer with recent cred:
Israel Folau has tapped one of Australia's leading workplace relations lawyers and Melbourne silks, Stuart Wood QC, for advice as he mulls taking on Rugby Australia in court alleging a breach of contract.
A representative for Folau said that it was too early to say Wood had been “engaged” by the rugby superstar but confirmed the pair had been in talks over next steps in his ongoing tussle with RA.
Those close to Folau have recommended workplace relations expert Wood, who has emerged in past years as a crusader in unlawful termination cases where free speech is called into question.
The Melbourne-based barrister most recently successfully represented controversial marine scientist and climate-sceptic Peter Ridd in his battle against James Cook University, which terminated the academic for questioning his colleagues on-air and in emails.
The scientist was terminated by the university after describing his colleague, who was a coral researcher, as "not having any clue about the weather" and for giving "the normal doom science about the Great Barrier Reef".
Federal Circuit Court judge Sal Vasta ruled in the academic's favour, finding that his employment contract with the university protected his comments over and above the university's code of conduct. Ridd is continuing to seek reinstatement at the university.
While Folau has not confirmed his legal team or decided which avenue in the courts he will go down, the Herald understands the 30-year-old is setting his sights on being represented by Wood.
...Tithing at his local church has just gone up..
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@Rembrandt said in The Folau Factor:
Should have just glassed his girlfriend or shat in a hallway, pissed in his own mouth or maybe some sort of gang sexcapade like those much better role models out there.
In other words a typical Saturdee night when Craig Gower was playing
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@MN5 said in The Folau Factor:
@Rembrandt said in The Folau Factor:
Should have just glassed his girlfriend or shat in a hallway, pissed in his own mouth or maybe some sort of gang sexcapade like those much better role models out there.
In other words a typical Saturdee night when Craig Gower was playing
Foolah didn't mention bestiality. So Mitchell Pearce is in the clear right? 🤔
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@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
@MN5 said in The Folau Factor:
@Rembrandt said in The Folau Factor:
Should have just glassed his girlfriend or shat in a hallway, pissed in his own mouth or maybe some sort of gang sexcapade like those much better role models out there.
In other words a typical Saturdee night when Craig Gower was playing
Foolah didn't mention bestiality. So Mitchell Pearce is in the clear right? 🤔
Oh wait, he was intoxicated when it happened.....
Sorry Mitch -
Peak NZH.
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@Salacious-Crumb So it turns out that this professor did a worldwide study that concludes there is homophobia in sport. He recruited participants primarily through social media, in facebook groups like OUT in the Field, and in his own words "The primary recruitment messages used in all communication tactics was typically “Share Your Story” with the tagline of “The First International Study on Homophobia in Sports.” It is unclear if this messaging would have had any impact on the kind of participants who decided to take part in the study. "
You think?
Anyway his self selecting participants in NZ, made up of 238 Gay, 142 Lesbian, 155 Straight and 88 Bisexual / Not disclosed (Total 623) is enough for him to know that homophobia is rife in NZ sport. OK Prof, if you say so it's probably true and if not the NZ media is unlikely to question your methodological rigour, so on you go.
The study concludes that the All Blacks are to blame for all the homophobia in sport, and they need to start the campaign to stamp it out after all its their fault. And none of the team speak out in support of Gay people, which is unconscionable. Oh wait, no it doesn't. They're not mentioned. There's no link. No evidence. Nothing. No mention of the times AB players have already called out homophobia either. No it turns out that they should do it because people will listen to them. Probably.
As you say Mr Crumb, Peak NZH.
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@JC said in The Folau Factor:
@Salacious-Crumb So it turns out that this professor did a worldwide study that concludes there is homophobia in sport. He recruited participants primarily through social media, in facebook groups like OUT in the Field, and in his own words "The primary recruitment messages used in all communication tactics was typically “Share Your Story” with the tagline of “The First International Study on Homophobia in Sports.” It is unclear if this messaging would have had any impact on the kind of participants who decided to take part in the study."
You think?
Anyway his self selecting participants in NZ, made up of 238 Gay, 142 Lesbian, 155 Straight and 88 Bisexual / Not disclosed (Total 623) is enough for him to know that homophobia is rife in NZ sport. OK Prof, if you say so it's probably true and if not the NZ media is unlikely to question your methodological rigour, so on you go.
The study concludes that the All Blacks are to blame for all the homophobia in sport, and they need to start the campaign to stamp it out after all its their fault. And none of the team speak out in support of Gay people, which is unconscionable. Oh wait, no it doesn't. They're not mentioned. There's no link. No evidence. Nothing. No mention of the times AB players have already called out homophobia either. No it turns out that they should do it because people will listen to them. Probably.
As you say Mr Crumb, Peak NZH.
and I'm sure we will see Jacinda's endorsement pretty shortly along with plans for a committee to put in place a working plan to resolve the systemic problems in the ABs
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What are his chances of succeeding?
Israel Folau will seek up to $10 million in damages if his sacking is deemed unlawful in the Federal Court, the Herald has been told.
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@Frank said in The Folau Factor:
What are his chances of succeeding?
Israel Folau will seek up to $10 million in damages if his sacking is deemed unlawful in the Federal Court, the Herald has been told.
All depends the court interprets s772 of the Fair Work Act, which prohibits an individual's employment being terminated on the basis of religion. Specifically:
(f) race, colour, sex, sexual preference, age, physical or mental disability, marital status, family or carer's responsibilities, pregnancy, religion, political opinion, national extraction or social origin;
So it's an interesting aspect whether the exercise of religion by commentary on social media is covered, or merely that he's a devotee of a specific religion.
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His termination had nothing to do with him being a christian though did it, otherwise half of rugby players would be terminated. He was terminated because he breached the code of conduct. Surely saying my religion gives me a free card to use hate speech at work doesn't fly in today's society.
What if I was an extremest and I was saying all non believers will die a fiery death, all non "insert religion" will die if they don't believe "my religion". If I approached a non believer in my work place and said John, sorry to say but you will die a painful fiery death unless you join my religion, you are a horrible person for not believing, you are sentencing you and your family to a horrible death. Do you think that would be tolerated?
Anyway I think it will be a good case to set a precedent and hopefully stop others spreading hateful speech in name of their religion.
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@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
His termination had nothing to do with him being a christian though did it, otherwise half of rugby players would be terminated. He was terminated because he breached the code of conduct. Surely saying my religion gives me a free card to use hate speech at work doesn't fly in today's society.
Depends if you think quoting religious texts is hate speech. I doubt he'd be quoting it in earnest belief if he wasn't a Christian.
What if I was an extremest and I was saying all non believers will die a fiery death, all non "insert religion" will die if they don't believe "my religion". If I approached a non believer in my work place and said John, sorry to say but you will die a painful fiery death unless you join my religion, you are a horrible person for not believing, you are sentencing you and your family to a horrible death. Do you think that would be tolerated?
Anyway I think it will be a good case to set a precedent and hopefully stop others spreading hateful speech in name of their religion.
I accept the nobler intentions of what you say, but who is to determine the extent of religious speech versus hateful speech? Does the Federal Government now step in and determine what passages can remain in the bible/ koran/ torah etc? Section 116 of the Constitution specifically prohibits such action: "The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion"
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I think he's made a bit of a mis-step by asking for $10m though. Is this about religion or about money?
He's suing the game that has given him millions/fame/fortune/opportunity, with the potential to bankrupt it completely.
Not sure how much public sympathy he will have in this fight, or support outside of the religious/libertarian community.
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@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
I think he's made a bit of a mis-step by asking for $10m though. Is this about religion or about money?
He's suing the game that has given him millions/fame/fortune/opportunity, with the potential to bankrupt it completely.
Not sure how much public sympathy he will have in this fight, or support outside of the religious/libertarian community.
He doesn't seem to care about the optics. The money will probably go to setting up his own church anyway
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@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
I think he's made a bit of a mis-step by asking for $10m though. Is this about religion or about money?
He's suing the game that has given him millions/fame/fortune/opportunity, with the potential to bankrupt it completely.
Not sure how much public sympathy he will have in this fight, or support outside of the religious/libertarian community.
@canefan said in The Folau Factor:
@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
I think he's made a bit of a mis-step by asking for $10m though. Is this about religion or about money?
He's suing the game that has given him millions/fame/fortune/opportunity, with the potential to bankrupt it completely.
Not sure how much public sympathy he will have in this fight, or support outside of the religious/libertarian community.
He doesn't seem to care about the optics. The money will probably go to setting up his own church anyway
Greed is a sin right, so it will have to be for something like that.
Can’t see him being popular if he bankrupts Aussie rugby ... all part of God’s plan for you, eh Israel!
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@chimoaus said in The Folau Factor:
His termination had nothing to do with him being a christian though did it, otherwise half of rugby players would be terminated. He was terminated because he breached the code of conduct. Surely saying my religion gives me a free card to use hate speech at work doesn't fly in today's society.
What if I was an extremest and I was saying all non believers will die a fiery death, all non "insert religion" will die if they don't believe "my religion". If I approached a non believer in my work place and said John, sorry to say but you will die a painful fiery death unless you join my religion, you are a horrible person for not believing, you are sentencing you and your family to a horrible death. Do you think that would be tolerated?
Anyway I think it will be a good case to set a precedent and hopefully stop others spreading hateful speech in name of their religion.
Don’t forget he sent it with love, which cancels out all of the above.
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He should talk to Brian Tamaki, he has recanted his statement that the gays caused earthquakes, maybe together they can, er, ride off into the sunset hating all us sinners, somewhere else...Auckland islands are good
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@antipodean said in The Folau Factor:
Depends if you think quoting religious texts is hate speech. I doubt he'd be quoting it in earnest belief if he wasn't a Christian.
I accept the nobler intentions of what you say, but who is to determine the extent of religious speech versus hateful speech? Does the Federal Government now step in and determine what passages can remain in the bible/ koran/ torah etc? Section 116 of the Constitution specifically prohibits such action: "The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion"
I see what you are saying and it makes for an interesting discussion why "Religion" should be exempt from societies norms and values. I highly doubt I can go quoting passages of Mein Kampf because that is my "Religion".
Why don't Christians still promote slavery including sex slaves when this was normal at the time of the bibles writing and is included in it? Surely if Jesus was ok with slaves and woman as property why is not ok today?
Perhaps this whole saga is needed to further cement how society as a whole feels about the treatment of homosexuals.
Sports requiring athletes to support cultural positions