The Folau Factor



  • @barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    FWIW, most people I speak to here in Sydney are happy to see the back of him, and think RA has done the right thing.

    The usual blowhards are defending Folau, but I don't think the public are behind them.

    Certainly would be interesting to see the crowd reaction if Izzy returns to the field.

    Probably the only more annoying thing he could be doing is turning up unannounced at your door with a suited up kid in tow trying to talk you into taking a pamphlet about our good lord Jesus Christ.

    No one likes being preached to or have some righteous prick telling you every life style you choose or have no choice to live, will send you to a make believe place.



  • Can't help but think this is mostly a story about pissing off sponsors at it's root.

    But I'm a sticks and stones... guy so that carries a bias in my analysis. His words were more ridiculous than harmful I'd have thought.

    I wonder what kiwis would think if Beaudy was in Izzys place? I think I'd put his non rugby publicity to one side and focus on his rugby.



  • @Siam sponsors pay alot of money to be associated with them, so I guess with that comes certain expectations, of which will include common values, they all like to pretend they are inclusive to all and will not tolerate though who are at odds with these values...right or wrong



  • @Siam I'd be interested to know what sort of guy he was in the team environment (Tahs and for Oz). Can't recall him ever being described as a prima donna, but also haven't heard much about him being a leader within the squad.

    I can recall Auckland and Blues teams having a the occasional team huddle prayer led by Kevin Mealamu (only one I can recall, quite likely others have too). Can recall the odd comment for how that went/felt for the guys that weren't religious. But from memory it was all good and very much each to their own. I guess that, alongside other devout (legends) like MJ, shows how rugby and religion has overlapped in NZ.

    The key difference being how explicit those players were in promoting their beliefs, use of social media, and any associated run in's with the bosses and sponsors. That's the pinch isn't it. Folau feels obliged to keep sending out his (God's) messages - although he hasn't said much about the verse/words he's in personal conflict with (tatts etc).



  • @taniwharugby true mate. Once upon a time sponsors were on the leash because the marketing and exposure of their brand made the money they invested prudent. The sponsors played ball to be associated with the game.

    Now the game plays ball to be associated with the sponsors.

    Who now holds the leash, the primary product or the sponsors?



  • @Stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    I heard he turned up to the hearing between RA and Folau only to be told to go away - unsubstantiated rumour.

    What would be interesting is if Folau isn't selected and this reduces his remuneration.

    It would seem some people need to be told to keep their mouths shut until the process is complete.



  • @Paekakboyz said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @Siam I'd be interested to know what sort of guy he was in the team environment (Tahs and for Oz). Can't recall him ever being described as a prima donna, but also haven't heard much about him being a leader within the squad.

    I can recall Auckland and Blues teams having a the occasional team huddle prayer led by Kevin Mealamu (only one I can recall, quite likely others have too). Can recall the odd comment for how that went/felt for the guys that weren't religious. But from memory it was all good and very much each to their own. I guess that, alongside other devout (legends) like MJ, shows how rugby and religion has overlapped in NZ.

    The key difference being how explicit those players were in promoting their beliefs, use of social media, and any associated run in's with the bosses and sponsors. That's the pinch isn't it. Folau feels obliged to keep sending out his (God's) messages - although he hasn't said much about the verse/words he's in personal conflict with (tatts etc).

    If that article about Folau baptising people in his backyard is correct (I posted the link earlier in the thread), and he has tried to convert team mates to his (fundamentalist) version of Christianity, that can create tensions in the team environment.

    Edited to add this quote from that article:

    His increasing fanaticism has been noticed by his teammates, some of whom he’s tried to entice to the flock. It has been noticed by his coaches at all levels.



  • @Stargazer that baptism bit is definitely on the 'interesting' side of things isn't it!! I swear that I read he was all anti baptism in an earlier article... something about taking exception to worship practices outside of actual biblical text?

    Having someone in your team in your ear about joining his version of team Jaysus would suck imo. Can't be much fun when the Australian team wants to have a beersie or two and enjoy a win... oh wait, drown their sorrows 🙂



  • I'd need quotes from players to decide about his behaviour in a team environment. Overwhelmingly the media portray team dynamics to fit their narrative. Teams are great at dealing with miscreants in my experience



  • It's one thing if you grow up being indoctrinated into this type of thing, but it's hard to respect anyone who chooses this path as a grown adult. That's not just Folau but also Thorn, SBW or anyone else. It's great if it makes them a better person or less of a prick (clearly not in Folau's case, but how big of an immature man child do you have to be to make this type of conversion? Particularly in this day and age. I'm not saying there aren't positive aspects relating to religion, but if it's a bit disturbing if you require the threat of eternal damnation or ancient scriptures written by charlatans (Mormons among others) to be a good human being.



  • @Paekakboyz said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @Stargazer that baptism bit is definitely on the 'interesting' side of things isn't it!! I swear that I read he was all anti baptism in an earlier article... something about taking exception to worship practices outside of actual biblical text?

    Having someone in your team in your ear about joining his version of team Jaysus would suck imo. Can't be much fun when the Australian team wants to have a beersie or two and enjoy a win... oh wait, drown their sorrows 🙂

    Eat a penis.



  • @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    (Mormons among others)

    Book of Mormon was awesome BTW. Recommended.



  • @NTA choc or jelly? if jelly I hear there are pills available 😇



  • @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    It's one thing if you grow up being indoctrinated into this type of thing, but it's hard to respect anyone who chooses this path as a grown adult. That's not just Folau but also Thorn, SBW or anyone else. It's great if it makes them a better person or less of a prick (clearly not in Folau's case, but how big of an immature man child do you have to be to make this type of conversion? Particularly in this day and age. I'm not saying there aren't positive aspects relating to religion, but if it's a bit disturbing if you require the threat of eternal damnation or ancient scriptures written by charlatans (Mormons among others) to be a good human being.

    I believe he changed over when his dad did. Up to his mid 20's he did what his dad told him to, giving his salary to dad and getting an allowance back.



  • @mikedogz

    The unusual life of Israel Folau: Rugby star gave his $500k salary to his parents and descended into 'alcohol, women and sins' before finding faith and joining his wife in 'Team Jesus'

    From older article:

    Folau adds: “I grew up as a Mormon, and my family left that church [in 2011] because different doctrines and beliefs they had weren’t what we believed was right.

    “Now we’re part of a small Christian church where I can see the difference; my relationship with God now has gone to another level I didn’t think was possible.

    “All of the changes that have happened in my career and my life has been since I left the Mormon faith. That’s nothing on the Mormon faith, but I know God directs myself and my family step by step in our lives, and I can speak on behalf of my parents and younger brothers; they’re in a really good place now.



  • Christian’s who come from a background of fucking up their life with booze and partying etc are the worse.
    It’s like they over compensate and go full bible bashing fun police hate everything that isn’t Gods work.



  • Know of a guy who did that, ended up marrying my high school crush and made her hard core christian too.



  • @Virgil and become 'experts' on what the bible means and how to interpret it. Often tied to narrower and more literal interpretation in my (limited) experience.



  • Small sample size, but regular church going Christian girls were awesome to date.



  • @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    Small sample size, but regular church going Christian girls were awesome to date.

    It’s like they try to find loopholes to get around the no sex before marriage thing


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