AB RWC squad



  • A few boys whose futures weren't assured punched their tickets to Japan tonight. Bridge, Reece, SBW, Patty T all rocked. Laumape looks like just missing out, JB strengthened his case with a nice cameo. The picture feels like its becoming clearer



  • When IS the squad named?



  • @pakman said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    When IS the squad named?

    Forget about time or place, just ask @SouthernMann



  • Here goes forward 17.

    EASY:

    Coles/Taylor/Coleman

    Moody/Ofa/Laulala

    Sam W/BBBR

    Barrett (S) (as 4/6)

    Cane/Savea(covering 8)/Read

    FIVE to go.

    Patty T (we need power lock in case BBBR not ready for Boks)

    Two of Ta'Avao/Karl/Franks -- if mobility favoured Ta'Avao. Then one of other two, depending on which side TWM feel needs scrummaging back up.

    Squire (against physical teams still need a 6 with hitting power)

    Lucky last (and hardest to call). I think it'll be Todd, but if Fifita and Frizell not considered to have sufficient dog, my roughy would be Jacobson based on his defence and ability also to cover 7.



  • If RWC was selected after Tonga I'd play Karl T and Owen, with a view to taking one of them.



  • Laulala, Patrick T, SBW, Reece and Bridge should go out this morning and buy a Japanese phrase book. They booked a place on plane last night.



  • Josh Ioane played himself into the squad, surely?

    IMO, you're already crazy if you only want go take 2 10s. If you still think that after watching Ritchie's shoulder get almost popped out then you're not safe to be out on the street.



  • @Rapido said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    IMO, you're already crazy if you only want go take 2 10s. If you still think that after watching Ritchie's shoulder get almost popped out then you're not safe to be out on the street.

    They took 2 in 2011, 3 in 2015.

    2 is viable - but you're risking two major injuries scuppering the campaign. The dropoff from Richie to Josh is massive - so I suspect we'll see BB starting, Bender at the back, and then Ioane and either Bridge or Reece depending on who they want to take over.



  • @nzzp said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    @Rapido said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    IMO, you're already crazy if you only want go take 2 10s. If you still think that after watching Ritchie's shoulder get almost popped out then you're not safe to be out on the street.

    They took 2 in 2011, 3 in 2015.

    2 is viable - but you're risking two major injuries scuppering the campaign. The dropoff from Richie to Josh is massive - so I suspect we'll see BB starting, Bender at the back, and then Ioane and either Bridge or Reece depending on who they want to take over.

    I'm not sure I would trust anyone else outside the group other than BB and Richie. If it comes to that we will making do anyway and a replacement is only a flight away



  • @canefan said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    I'm not sure I would trust anyone else outside the group other than BB and Richie. If it comes to that we will making do anyway and a replacement is only a flight away

    Holidays in Japan coming up for some players 🙂



  • @canefan said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    A few boys whose futures weren't assured punched their tickets to Japan tonight. Bridge, Reece, SBW, Patty T all rocked. Laumape looks like just missing out, JB strengthened his case with a nice cameo. The picture feels like its becoming clearer

    I think Laumape will get the nod over an unlucky Crotty. Would be pretty unfair to ditch a guy doing nothing wrong for someone who hasn’t played and may take time to get up to speed.
    Also, if SBW is the game plan for the midfield balance then Laumape is a better like for like.

    Back three will be interesting. I guess that BB allows an extra because he counts as a 10 but with Bender not likely to be dropped there is room for 3 more from Rieko, JB, Bridge and Reece. (Ennor not required)
    I’m pretty sure Reece is the X factor that always pops up just before the RWC. The TWM will know more about Rieko’s headspace and whether he has hit a wall very early (lesson learned from Julian Savea?) but without him we lack punch should Reece get injured and Bridge is also then the only real left wing option.
    That kind of points to only one of Bridge and JB going.



  • @Crucial said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    I think Laumape will get the nod over an unlucky Crotty. Would be pretty unfair to ditch a guy doing nothing wrong for someone who hasn’t played and may take time to get up to speed.

    Crotty get up to speed? He is all class, if fit I can't see him being left behind.

    SBW didn't break last night, so will he be on ice v Tonga so his seat for Japan is booked.



  • I don’t see much similarity in Laumape and Sonny’s game. All of our midfielders take on the line but Sonny is a far more subtle than Laumape.



  • @Crucial said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    @canefan said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    A few boys whose futures weren't assured punched their tickets to Japan tonight. Bridge, Reece, SBW, Patty T all rocked. Laumape looks like just missing out, JB strengthened his case with a nice cameo. The picture feels like its becoming clearer

    I think Laumape will get the nod over an unlucky Crotty. Would be pretty unfair to ditch a guy doing nothing wrong for someone who hasn’t played and may take time to get up to speed.
    Also, if SBW is the game plan for the midfield balance then Laumape is a better like for like.

    Back three will be interesting. I guess that BB allows an extra because he counts as a 10 but with Bender not likely to be dropped there is room for 3 more from Rieko, JB, Bridge and Reece. (Ennor not required)
    I’m pretty sure Reece is the X factor that always pops up just before the RWC. The TWM will know more about Rieko’s headspace and whether he has hit a wall very early (lesson learned from Julian Savea?) but without him we lack punch should Reece get injured and Bridge is also then the only real left wing option.
    That kind of points to only one of Bridge and JB going.

    1. No way Bender is now first choice 15.
    2. No way George Bridge isn't going.


  • @taniwharugby said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    @Crucial said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    I think Laumape will get the nod over an unlucky Crotty. Would be pretty unfair to ditch a guy doing nothing wrong for someone who hasn’t played and may take time to get up to speed.

    Crotty get up to speed? He is all class, if fit I can't see him being left behind.

    SBW didn't break last night, so will he be on ice v Tonga so his seat for Japan is booked.

    Agree, Crotty is pretty used to coming off injury breaks and looking class.

    He doesn’t make my 23 at the moment but he’s a great man to have in the squad for both on and off-field reasons. If we lose a midfielder to injury at the business end of the tournament he is the only player I want slotting in.



  • @Crucial It's a pretty brutal game, because there will be a couple who will be very unlucky to miss out.

    I think Laumape will be the unlucky one in the midfield, because I can't really recall a big game selection where he's been a preferred choice. Whereas, it wouldn't surprise me if Hansen's first choice midfield is still SBW and Crotty.

    Real question is who is the second choice second five if SBW gets injured - Ngani needs it to be him, but I'm not sure it is.

    In the outside backs, seems like there's plenty thinking it will be Bridge, Reece, Ben Smith, Rieko and Jordie - plus Beauden. And it could be. But my question is - what is Jordie's role? Third choice fullback? Someone who can play wing at a pinch against the minnows (we've got four specialists)? Someone who can play in the midfield at a pinch (against the minnows) (we've got four specialist midfielders)?

    I can't see that he offers more value than Josh Ioane, who could end up having a crucial role if either Mo'unga or Beauden get injured.



  • Forwards (17)
    Laulala, Angus, Moody, Ofa, Franks
    Coles, Taylor, Coltman
    Whitelock, BBBR, SBarrett, Tuipolutou
    Read, Savea, Cane, Todd + if available - Squire, if not - Hemopo

    Backs (14)
    TJP, Aaron, Weber
    Mounga, BB (TJP could play 10 against minnows - no coincidence he played some time at 10 during Super Rugby)
    SBW, ALB, Goodhue +1 (I want Laumape, but suspect Crotty)
    Bridge, Reece, Rieko, Bender, JBarrett



  • @westcoastie said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    Forwards (17)
    Laulala, Angus, Moody, Ofa, Franks
    Coles, Taylor, Coltman
    Whitelock, BBBR, SBarrett, Tuipolutou
    Read, Savea, Cane, Todd + if available - Squire, if not - Hemopo

    Backs (14)
    TJP, Aaron, Weber
    Mounga, BB (TJP could play 10 against minnows - no coincidence he played some time at 10 during Super Rugby)
    SBW, ALB, Goodhue +1 (I want Laumape, but suspect Crotty)
    Bridge, Reece, Rieko, Bender, JBarrett

    I reckon that is about right. With the only question being whether it’s three 10s or 5 outside backs



  • Few surprises but I went for the experience.

    Forwards:

    Hookers
    Dane Coles
    Keven Mealamu
    Codie Taylor

    Props
    Wyatt Crockett
    Charlie Faumuina
    Ben Franks
    Owen Franks
    Tony Woodcock

    Locks
    Brodie Retallick
    Luke Romano
    Samuel Whitelock

    Loose forwards
    Sam Cane
    Jerome Kaino
    Richie McCaw, captain
    Liam Messam
    Kieran Read
    Victor Vito

    Backs:

    Halfbacks
    Tawera Kerr–Barlow
    TJ Perenara
    Aaron Smith

    First five–eighths
    Beauden Barrett
    Daniel Carter
    Colin Slade

    Midfielders
    Malakai Fekitoa
    Ma’a Nonu
    Conrad Smith
    Sonny Bill Williams

    Outside backs
    Nehe Milner-Skudder
    Waisake Naholo
    Julian Savea
    Ben Smith



  • @Chris-B if body language was anything to go by at the end of last nights game..watching Laumape when he was in some of the background shots, I reckon he’s already been told..just an observation..hes bloody unlucky, he would be in every other World Cup country squad.



  • @Steven-Harris yeah and I wouldn't be surprised if we see him go overseas from his imminent non-inclusion.



  • @Canes4life did you sense that as well..?,did not look to have that real excitement of having just retained the Bledisloe and being part of a superb performance



  • @Canes4life said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    @Steven-Harris yeah and I wouldn't be surprised if we see him go overseas from his imminent non-inclusion.

    I hope not. He will be a shoe in for the ABs next year if he keeps his form up. He is young, he has time



  • @Canes4life given 2 guys currently 'in front' of him will be gone next year, I hope he aint a sulky type



  • @Canes4life Laumape is signed through to 2021. Unless he has an outclause, he isn't going anywhere any time soon. He turns 28 in 2021, though, so unless he firmly owns that 12 jersey by then, I can't see him stay for the next RWC.

    Two years is a long time; time enough to grab that jersey, but also to lose it.



  • @Steven-Harris said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    @Chris-B if body language was anything to go by at the end of last nights game..watching Laumape when he was in some of the background shots, I reckon he’s already been told..just an observation..hes bloody unlucky, he would be in every other World Cup country squad.

    Yeah I thought it was striking how glum Laumape looked while he was waiting to sub on, didn't looked to be enthused about going on at all - I figured because he'd just watched SBW not stink up the joint.

    For mine, while SBW had an adequate game, I really didn't see anything from him to make him stand out. Lost the ball once or twice too, didn't he? I noticed he's really poor at making the ball available when tackled, which leads to slow/sloppy/turnover ball. Scored a try that I'd back Laumape to waltz in. Any other good points that aren't easily covered by other midfielders? Laumape strikes me as the better bench man too.



  • @Bones I agree re SBW. He was ok, but he didn't do anything exceeding what one would expect from a 12 on a wet day. He did get caught out a couple of times on defence I thought.

    The conditions and the game style suited him because he didn't need to do much ball playing. I still think he stifles the backline when they are trying to play expansively. Maybe the duel playmaking between Mo'unga and Barrett will negate the need for SBW to do it?



  • @Crucial no way we're taking Josh, need be in the squad otherwise



  • @Crazy-Horse yeah, I'm intrigued to see him being picked for POTM just because he wasn't shit. Is that what we want from 12?



  • @Bones said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    @Crazy-Horse yeah, I'm intrigued to see him being picked for POTM just because he wasn't shit. Is that what we want from 12?

    Not many managed it last week



  • @Machpants said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    @Bones said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    @Crazy-Horse yeah, I'm intrigued to see him being picked for POTM just because he wasn't shit. Is that what we want from 12?

    Not many managed it last week

    How did the 12 go last week?



  • No idea my mind had been wiped



  • @Machpants said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    No idea my mind had been wiped

    Hah. If mine serves me correctly I thought he was pretty not shit. On a level of this week's 12 who was surrounded by dominating players, unlike last week.



  • Interesting to see plenty of people have elevated Bridge and Reece above Ioane and Smith on the back of one game. Even suggesting Smith and Ioane might not make the cut.
    Just can’t see it myself. I don’t see the point in taking both Reece and Bridge with BB now playing at 15 and I don’t think those guys have done enough to go past Ioane or BFA and they don’t have the versatility of Jordie.



  • @pukunui A lot of people get carried away on here after 1 performance.



  • @African-Monkey TBF, was probably the best performance they have put out there for a year or more...I guess the thing that was the most impressive, was that there was some serious heat on them following last week, and they, as a team responded.

    A few players simply did what was expected of them, a few put in thier best in black...



  • Squad announced August 28th.

    That is a Wednesday.

    Is there NOTHING SACRED anymore FFS



  • How long would Mo'ouga be out for with this shoulder? (If we had another match coming up).

    Question for the only 2 10s guys .

    If this was 4th pool match v Italy and he was out for 2 weeks, would you be cool calling up Josh Ioane as "he is on holiday in Japan " but that means Ritchie misses the final?

    Or play TJP as cover because he grew up in the same suburb as Weepu, sobbed qualified.



  • @Machpants What time and where?



  • @sparky said in RWC squad. Who's in, who's out?:

    @Machpants What time and where?

    Dunno, mentioned in several articles, just the date tho


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