Hello Boomer...



  • Yup it's just us old cnuts watching rugby, and it looks bad for our days in care homes - we'll probably see the ABs being spanked by Italy 😉

    Maybe.

    Food for thought anyway



  • my kids love basketball.

    We go to 15 live games a season, which gets them in to it. It's an easy spectator game because it's relatively basic.

    The NBA is brilliant at marketing its stars, so there is a heap of high profile content available on a bunch of mediums. You can also sort of fade in and out of a game and still be up to date with what is going on, so you can easily watch a basketball game and play a game of fortnite at the same time.

    And we have a hoop at home, so the two of them can pick up a ball and play.

    NBA 2k-whatever is a good video game as well.

    For kids it's an easy pick up, and rugby battles with that sort of engagement, as how many of the above can they replicate?



  • Really good points about the free advertising. The amount of YouTube/Twitch streamers playing games with 100,000s of viewers is insane.

    Going to be interesting to see what the middle ground will be for selling broadcast rights but not crushing fans sharing clips, or whatever the next popular way of sharing content will be.

    They need to get on it.



  • @Kirwan Remember when the newspapers boycotted the NPC because the NZRU/Sky were trying to stop them from using short video clips? NZRU's digital strategy is as pathetic as it is arrogant.



  • @Tim said in Hello Boomer...:

    @Kirwan Remember when the newspapers boycotted the NPC because the NZRU/Sky were trying to stop them from using short video clips? NZRU's digital strategy is as pathetic as it is arrogant.

    Yep, very short sighted. You want eyeballs on your sport, end of story. Lots of choice these days.



  • @mariner4life much easier for a couple of mates to have a game of B-ball or Soccer than rugby too.

    TBH I dont think it is just rugby competing with B-ball, although I think most sports are having big numbers of teens dropping out, so the problem is bigger than rugby, and probably bigger than just NZ too.



  • @taniwharugby said in Hello Boomer...:

    @mariner4life much easier for a couple of mates to have a game of B-ball or Soccer than rugby too.

    TBH I dont think it is just rugby competing with B-ball, although I think most sports are having big numbers of teens dropping out, so the problem is bigger than rugby, and probably bigger than just NZ too.

    absolutely

    I feel like one of these pop up all the time, about how rugby is about to be overtaken in NZ etc

    But there are certainly some things that rugby as a sport needs to be aware of.

    I'm pretty disengaged with rugby these days, which means my kids are too. They've never been to a live game. They don't watch on TV, because i watch one or two a weekend max over Super season. Then the AB tests. And then nothing for half the year.

    How much does it cost to take your kids to a Super rugby game?



  • I blame bad parenting 😉 , my Dad would have never let me grow up not being a rugby fan. I once joined a soccer team and it nearly ripped my family apart, Dad stormed off to the pub ... luckily I was such a fatso they made me the goalie so my wendyball career lasted a week.

    To be serious, I think it's reasonable taking kids to Super games with the family packages that are available, certainly comparable to other activities, but I haven't taken kids to games in a while so just going by what I've been told by mates with kids.



  • @mariner4life these articles and the demise of rugby have been about for decades, rugby is well aware I believe and I think they are always looking at ways to address the issues...the whole no rep at u14 grades and under is one...while I dont agree with it, if it works then great.

    When I was in my teens soccer always boasted they had bigger player numbers and would eventually be the premier sport in NZ...guess they playing the long game.

    If there is a super game up here, maybe $40 for me and my boy? I'll let you know when Beaudy makes his debut for the Blues in Whangarei later this year...first round Robin game here in almost a decade...?



  • @Tim said in Hello Boomer...:

    @Kirwan Remember when the newspapers boycotted the NPC because the NZRU/Sky were trying to stop them from using short video clips? NZRU's digital strategy is as pathetic as it is arrogant.

    Squidge Rugby and (until they got brought on board) 1014 Rugby had vids taken down by SANZAAR/Sky too



  • @mariner4life said in Hello Boomer...:

    my kids love basketball.
    We go to 15 live games a season

    I had my suspicions you were a bad parent.

    @Machpants I used to make rugby videos and you would have to basically hide them to prevent them being taken down, which defeated the purpose.

    When they sold the exclusive rights to televise, it should have come with an expiry after a certain period and a reasonable fair use provision.



  • I guess I qualify as a “boomer,” and what it looks like to me is yet another article about the sky falling, which means it might be Just another day that ends in the letter “y.” I remember the “peak oil” panic, too.



  • @Salacious-Crumb said in Hello Boomer...:

    I guess I qualify as a “boomer,” and what it looks like to me is yet another article about the sky falling, which means it might be Just another day that ends in the letter “y.” I remember the “peak oil” panic, too.

    Rest in peace BMR789



  • I doubt rugby will suddenly cease to exist or even be adversely affected by basketball. Basketball is not for everyone. It takes a lot of subtle subroutines to hit a free throw regularly. Much easier to throw a wide ball in rugby. To be good at basketball you need to have a level of dexterity that is not necessarily something that you need to have for rugby. Not to mention height! There are always going to be athletes suited to certain sports. Just like in the US some play football, soccer, baseball, lacrosse, and basketball. If you are a large Polynesian kid that loves a bit of contact and don't have any hops I doubt very much that basketball will be your first choice sports.



  • Dream scenario:

    Let anyone, including the official online channels, make social media clips of highlights with music etc and funky editing.

    Remove the music from the live rugby experience at the stadium.

    The music and crap seems to be aimed at an audience that aren't there?

    My best (and only) live rugby experience last year was going to watch the wellington club finals at Petone Rec with thousands of people vocally supporting and encouraging the players. Took me back 20 years when it was actually worth your while to raise your voice at a sporting event in NZ because they could actually hear you.

    (and remove the flame throwers, so my ticket is cheaper with no gas an no DJ, and I'm not unwillingly paying to waste LPG and blast unnecessary carbon into the atmosphere, whatever your thoughts on global warming, that's alienating to a sector of the paying public)



  • I had a 'middle aged man yells at clouds' moment the other week at a sporting event that scared a 12 year old standing in line behind me.

    At the domestic T20 at the Basin with my family. Music after every boundary and every over. No point even clapping. Anyway, at the half time interval standing in line to buy hotdogs and I can't hear my 5 year old's voice over the PA noise for what she wants to order. In exasperation and frayed nerves at the constant noise I turn over my shoulder in the direction of the field and noise and yell; "Just shut the fuck up!!!"

    Poor random 12 year old boy standing behind me in line jumps back in fright at this mad old grumpy man with tourettes standing in front of him.



  • @Rapido I went to a Mako game a couple of years ago where the incessant music annoyed the shit out of me. So I wrote to the marketing manager and complained.

    In recent times it seems like there's been less of a musical assault - I even remarked on it at the final this year ("which, by the way, we won" said in a Trumpian voice).

    I think there's a lot of worrying trends for rugby (and other sports) in New Zealand, and the ageing demographic is just one. This year is going to be the first year that I'm thinking the best NH club teams look stronger than the best SH Super teams.

    However, I suspect life is going to become progressively more internet based. I reckon we're not too far from a point where people will start taking their vacations in virtual reality, rather than actually travelling somewhere. Probably places where you can already do that.



  • @Chris-B said in Hello Boomer...:

    I reckon we're not too far from a point where people will start taking their vacations in virtual reality, rather than actually travelling somewhere. Probably places where you can already do that.

    did you punch a couple of cones before you wrote that?



  • @mariner4life I had to google "punch a couple of cones". Which is pretty what some people used to do instead of travelling in the days before VR.



  • @Chris-B said in Hello Boomer...:

    @mariner4life I had to google "punch a couple of cones". Which is pretty what some people used to do instead of travelling in the days before VR.

    people in Nelson don't got no money



  • @mariner4life Au contraire - I'm rich as fuck! 🙂

    So are the Talley family!

    People already prefer life in VR - there's millions of people playing fortnite, because their alternative is to go and wander around a fucking shopping mall with their fuck all money.



  • To the topic at hand, i am wondering what the data would have looked like 20 years ago? What were the demographics like then? Is this a new and concerning trend? Or have the majority of sports watchers always been older?

    We're also in a period where sports participation levels appear to be declining (not just the junior stuff highlighted in the other thread). The culture is changing around playing organised team sport on the weekend, does this also flow through to people's engagement in watching pro-sports? When i played, i lived and breathed rugby for 10 months of the year. Training, playing, and watching. When the first two went, the 3rd quickly followed.

    People are increasingly time poor, because we have allowed the system to warp our priorities, and we find new ways to impose commitments on ourselves (i want my kids to be 100% fulfilled so I'll enrole them in everything). So reduced down time combined with a boom in entertainment options is definitely going to effect traditional entertainment options.



  • @Chris-B I don't know what it says about me but while I know what it means to punch out a cone, I have no idea what fortnite is. I mean I do from context etc but I have no desire to bother to learn the detail.

    As @mariner4life says I don't have enough time to do the things I'd actually physically want to do without "wasting" time in some alternative reality.

    VR tourism will come - already has in a limited sense (galleries etc) but the real deal is VR porn. If I was tech savvy and looking at a start-up that's where my money would go.



  • @dogmeat Yeah - but, we're from a different generation.

    I was struck about a decade ago when one of my friends (whose kids were gaming addicts) observed that he could see why they'd spend all their time playing computer games - because life in the games was more exciting and better than life outside.

    You're right about VR porn - but, that will be part of M4L's "online Rome vacation". Monica Bellucci really will appear in his Roman driveway. Instead of traipsing around a bunch of churches in the heat everything will be tailored to a perfect experience. His wife probably won't be too happy about paying for the 14 day Monica plug-in though! 🙂



  • @Chris-B said in Hello Boomer...:

    @dogmeat Yeah - but, we're from a different generation.

    I was struck about a decade ago when one of my friends (whose kids were gaming addicts) observed that he could see why they'd spend all their time playing computer games - because life in the games was more exciting and better than life outside.

    You're right about VR porn - but, that will be part of M4L's "online Rome vacation". Monica Bellucci really will appear in his Roman driveway. Instead of traipsing around a bunch of churches in the heat everything will be tailored to a perfect experience. His wife probably won't be too happy about paying for the 14 day Monica plug-in though! 🙂

    "plug in" he he he

    stop smoking cones and watching Total Recall!!!



  • I can see why millennial kids would find going to a rugby game or any 'stadiumed' sport in NZ boring.

    Sit their doing nothing and saying nothing for a few hours while one person out the 15,000 makes all the noise and all the flames with a press of a button.

    I'd rather play a video game myself, actually.

    Much more interactive back in my day. Bang on the aluminium hoardings, searching for empty beer cans with the tab inside them for more noise making, cheer and shout. Basically, get involved.



  • @Rapido @Nepia would hate you. He wants everyone silent at the rugby, so he can watch intently like he is at home on the couch

    Nepia hates fun



  • @Rapido it feels like such a grumpy old man thing to complain about but I so agree with you. Crap music at sporting events is an absolute blight and it actively detracts from the whole experience, to the point you don't actually want to attend.

    I'm almost certain if they cut that shit out crowd numbers would go up.



  • @No-Quarter totally works at NBL games



  • @mariner4life said in Hello Boomer...:

    @Rapido @Nepia would hate you. He wants everyone silent at the rugby, so he can watch intently like he is at home on the couch

    Nepia hates fun

    I especially hate crowd singing, join a fucking choir if you want to sing.



  • Seriously, if you open Youtube in NZ then you should be bombarded with rugby content. You shouldn't have to seek out guys who stream from their bedroom, just so you can get some analysis or coverage.



  • @Tim said in Hello Boomer...:

    you open Youtube in NZ then you should be bombarded with rugby content. You shouldn't have to seek out guys who stream from their bedroom, just so you can get some analysis or coverage.

    not to mention how m-f grainy some of that content is, even from 5, 10 or 20 years ago...I know technology is always improving, but when you watch some of those games from the early 2000's I may as well be drunk or watching through the bottom of a coke bottle.



  • And maybe, when lots of school kids are asian now and there is a lot of bad press about head injuries, you should seriously push touch rugby in schools.



  • @Tim said in Hello Boomer...:

    And maybe, when lots of school kids are asian now and there is a lot of bad press about head injuries, you should seriously push touch rugby in schools.

    RACIST!!!



  • @taniwharugby Classic games, NZ rugby lore, behind the scenes at teams clips - should all be free to watch to promote the game.



  • Special thing for me about Rugby as a kid was always having 14 mates alongside you to train with, play with and socialise with after the game.

    I know kids today can make connections through their video games and social media, but they will make more long-lasting friendships, receive great hospitality and pick up some useful values by playing Rugby.



  • @sparky that can be said of most team sports. I was the rugby kid that played on the school basketball team. My best mates, the ones I still talk to every day are the basketball guys.



  • @raznomore yea I am still mates with as many from the school/rep golf team as my rugby teams.

    Being part of a team and sharing in the losses and wins is pretty special.



  • @raznomore said in Hello Boomer...:

    @sparky that can be said of most team sports.

    True, but having 15 kids in a team is unique about Rugby. No game offers the opportunity for so many kids to be involved.



  • @sparky said in Hello Boomer...:

    @raznomore said in Hello Boomer...:

    @sparky that can be said of most team sports.

    True, but having 15 kids in a team is unique about Rugby. No game offers the opportunity for so many kids to be involved.

    rugby is just the absolute besterest!!!


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