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@paekakboyz said in US Politics:
@booboo there was only room for one maverick in that team.
Do you actually remember the things said about him while he was running against saint Obama??? Maverick would have been a massive compliment
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The maverick call became a joke iirc, especially once Palin really started getting some air time.
Vitriol gets aimed at any and all candidates, left or right. Would agree that candidates on the left have had more MSM support, particularly since Obama, but some icky stuff gets fired in all directions.
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@paekakboyz said in US Politics:
The maverick call became a joke iirc, especially once Palin really started getting some air time.
Vitriol gets aimed at any and all candidates, left or right. Would agree that candidates on the left have had more MSM support, particularly since Obama, but some icky stuff gets fired in all directions.
Nope I would not agree at all.
Sure stuff gets said about all candidates. But republican candidates get slaughtered very time in a vicious way.. far beyond anything a democrat.. jeez Obama had his citizenship questioned... and that wasn't even by MSM much.. and that was about it. Trump is immune to criticism form MSM .. because candidates were also slandered, and that was clearly bullshit so now people just dont believe anything. -
Are we just talking about slander via MSM or media? or by joe public? You don't agree that MSM has taken it easier on left aligned candidates than those on the right? or that vitriol is aimed at both sides?
I think it's gotten incredibly personal across the board in the last 2-3 elections in particular. With things hitting peak bullshit with Trump, where as you said, it's all hot air now as so much shit was thrown about. Obama coped a hell of a lot more than just the birther stuff. Not that I think any of this is productive or required as part of electing someone.
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@paekakboyz said in US Politics:
Are we just talking about slander via MSM or media? or by joe public? You don't agree that MSM has taken it easier on left aligned candidates than those on the right? or that vitriol is aimed at both sides?
I think it's gotten incredibly personal across the board in the last 2-3 elections in particular. With things hitting peak bullshit with Trump, where as you said, it's all hot air now as so much shit was thrown about. Obama coped a hell of a lot more than just the birther stuff. Not that I think any of this is productive or required as part of electing someone.
My post was poorly written.
I think the MSM has been consistently and viciously biased for a few decades, they have cried wolf time and time again.
Now they just ave no cut through at all.As for voters, I think they have been roughly equal in vitriol until the last couple of presidents, but I think Obama got far more of a fair go initially than Trump or Bush did. And now it will escalate, the next president will never be accepted by the pother side. The whole US system is on a slide and the blame lays squarely at the feet of the media.
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I think the fair go for Obama saw a lot of people go a bit easier given the significance of the first black president, and maybe being a bit gun shy of criticizing him for fear of the race-card etc. But that certainly wasn't an issue for those who really didn't like him and/or his policies. The irony there is that a lot of criticism was genuinely about his politics rather than who Obama was!!
People are so fast to rush too, and absolutely defend, 'a' position that they leave themselves nowhere to go. Forcing yourself to take steps (or several!) to play the ball rather than the candidate/politician/party doesn't come easy when you look at our tribal approach.
It's talking the two-party situation even further for the US. Which isn't great, although you'd be talking of years and years of political change to see a viable third option appearing.
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@booboo said in US Politics:
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@donsteppa said in US Politics:
Would have made a good president, if ...
... he hadn't picked Sarah Palin as running mate
Oh yeah... Yet another left wing media target. How much do you actually know about her?
Am not commenting on her ability just her electability. Her image didn't help his chances.
It's amazing when you look at what can send your electoral chances sinking to the bottom quicker than a torpedo amidships. One small error can be massively magnified and have you subject to 24hour cycle of ridicule from which you can't recover. Others get to say the dumbest shit constantly and somehow it doesn't harm them.
I didn't think highly of McCain's hawkish politics, but his integrity as an officer and POW stand the test of time.
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But will it get any screenings?
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Tucker and Greenwald re: CNN
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Sara Palin apparently not invited to McCain's funeral. That's pretty fucked up.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in US Politics:
Sara Palin apparently not invited to McCain's funeral. That's pretty fucked up.
She doesnt hate Trump, therefore she is a Nazi, and Nazis are not allowed at funerals.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in US Politics:
Sara Palin apparently not invited to McCain's funeral. That's pretty fucked up.
She doesnt hate Trump, therefore she is a Nazi, and Nazis are not allowed at funerals.
Was a family choice? Or a government choice?
If it was family, they can invite whoever they like.
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@kirwan said in US Politics:
@baron-silas-greenback said in US Politics:
@rancid-schnitzel said in US Politics:
Sara Palin apparently not invited to McCain's funeral. That's pretty fucked up.
She doesnt hate Trump, therefore she is a Nazi, and Nazis are not allowed at funerals.
Was a family choice? Or a government choice?
If it was family, they can invite whoever they like.
Of course they can but it seems astonishingly petty. She was completely loyal to him and was a shot in the arm for his campaign. I don't like the woman but the vitriol she endured was absolutely disgusting, particularly from the so-called sisterhood. I would have thought that someone from a very modest background who destroyed all her male opponents while raising multiple children would be a feminist icon. Nope, wrong party so she had to be destroyed. She campaigned for McCain shortly after giving birth and also had a son serving in Iraq. Regardless of her politics she's clearly an incredibly accomplished individual.
Not sure why she's being snubbed now. So incredibly small.
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@jegga said in US Politics:
Also she was a total milf
That she was. She was (and still is) smoking. Just mute the volume and enjoy....
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He’s also record as saying he regretted asking her to be VP, with some chatter that she was too much about her brand than the campaign, so I guess he may not have been much of a fan.
Still seems a bit strange not to invite her though, IMO.
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