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BJ ok with No-deal. A telling video on Theresa May at the top of this article.
Either she's retarded/has somehow got to where she has without any negotiation skills or she had no intention whatsoever about leaving the EU.
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Who knows, maybe if the euro elections go a certain way we might see not just Farage but also Carl Benjamin and "Oh Voldemort Voldemort". I reckon a couple weeks with those guys in the European parliament will be enough for the EU to come back to the negotiation table begging for Brexit.
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
Pretty bad if it is faked but I see the telegraph is running with it now and the Twitter account that wrote this has been suspended.
edit.
Yeah looks like the assault was real but this 'shop owner's tweet is fake, looks like he is some sort of prankster -
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
For what its worth. Recent Westminster intention poll showing Brexit just 1 point behind Labour.
Although pretty damning for the Tories, it is only the Euro elections. Expectations of a protest vote, especially in the current balls up are high. How this would translate to e General election is probably quite different. The Euro backlash vote would likely see the Tories lose out to Labour or the LibDems and the same for Labour. It's rarely in GEs that the fringe parties have anything other than a swing effect to one of the two main parties.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
IF the EU maintain their stance that the deal negotiation is over and closed
Big IF.
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@Calf said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew One question I’ve not seen properly debated is how MPs that have remain constituencies should vote. Are they disrespecting the result of the referendum by voting in line with the preference of their constituents?
What manifesto were they elected on?
No Tories or Labour MP was elected on a revoke Article 50 or re-run the referendum policy.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
IF the EU maintain their stance that the deal negotiation is over and closed
Big IF.
What do you think would make them change their stance? Genuine question as I can't see what anyone else would bring to the table that would make any great difference.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
IF the EU maintain their stance that the deal negotiation is over and closed
Big IF.
What do you think would make them change their stance? Genuine question as I can't see what anyone else would bring to the table that would make any great difference.
What stance? May has been so supine I'd question if it's ever been challenged.
Can't think of a single concession the EU has made can you?
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
It's rarely in GEs that the fringe parties have anything other than a swing effect to one of the two main parties.
We be seem to living in times where the "rare and unprecedented" is becoming the normal.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
IF the EU maintain their stance that the deal negotiation is over and closed
Big IF.
What do you think would make them change their stance? Genuine question as I can't see what anyone else would bring to the table that would make any great difference.
What stance? May has been so supine I'd question if it's ever been challenged.
Can't think of a single concession the EU has made can you?
I honestly don't know but I'd be interested to know what concessions anyone thinks would be appropriate AND get the backing of the commons
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
It's rarely in GEs that the fringe parties have anything other than a swing effect to one of the two main parties.
We be seem to living in times where the "rare and unprecedented" is becoming the normal.
We're certainly in interesting times. I guess we'll find out whether there is any impact on a GE as the Tories are in disarray and you do wonder if a GE is likely sooner than the calendar would indicate.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
I honestly don't know but I'd be interested to know what concessions anyone thinks would be appropriate AND get the backing of the commons
I'm missing something here. Why would the HoC not want to back a concession from the EU which benefits the UK?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
I honestly don't know but I'd be interested to know what concessions anyone thinks would be appropriate AND get the backing of the commons
I'm missing something here. Why would the HoC not want to back a concession from the EU which benefits the UK?
Broader terms. I should have said and still get the backing of the Commons for an agreement. The Commons is a clusterfuck of divided opinions, so getting any form of agreement is seemingly fanciful. Everyone knows this, certainly the EU know this. Why would they make any concessions when they know how weak we are?
i get your point, but I just don't see it as that simple. We cannot agree amongst ourselves even if we had a unilateral decision option.
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Revoking A50 for many was about resetting the situation and trying to negotiate from afresh. It wasn’t igorhe voters.
We all can see what a balls up of negotiating Maybot made but trying to Step back and regain ground is actually sensible idea. Without doing that @MajorRage s post about no movement from the EU will be the outcome -
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Catogrande Dunno mate, some leadership that moves forwards will be a welcome thing.
I hope like hell it's not Johnson, but it's a possibility.
I think either that Nebbish Hammond or an out and out Brexiteer. Either way they will have to deal with the EU that don't want us to go and the Commons that don't want us to go.
Continuing shit storm for the time being I feel.
Nebbish is a tremendous word Cato. And yeah, Hammond is one.
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@Crucial said in British Politics:
Revoking A50 for many was about resetting the situation and trying to negotiate from afresh. It wasn’t igorhe voters.
114 MPs voted against invoking A50 before negotiations had even started.
And calls by MPs for a 2nd referendum started days after the referendum result and almost a year before negotiations started.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Crucial which post of mine?
Not disagreeing!
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
Lots of thoughts above but one missing.
The new leader goes to EU and hears, once again, there is no further movement possible. The new PM is then forced to either concede and try and push through the deal, or accept no deal against the Views of almost all advisors.
That’s what I think will happen.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Crucial said in British Politics:
Revoking A50 for many was about resetting the situation and trying to negotiate from afresh. It wasn’t igorhe voters.
114 MPs voted against invoking A50 before negotiations had even started.
Don’t confuse that directly with trying to stop Brexit. Setting a date before negotiations was one of Mays big mistakes.
“I have to sell this house to you by the end of the month, now what will you pay me for it?”
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