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@catogrande said in British Politics:
What I have seen in the UK police force over many years is a jaundiced view of the world coloured by the experiences these guys have on a regular basis. Mentally they will have callouses on callouses.
One of my oldest friends is a retired Inspector in Hertfordshire and we've had a few discussions in the last few years.
His personal view is/was the Police can no longer get away with some of the stuff that was not uncommon when he started in the '80's in the Met - planting of evidence, faked confessions, poor treatment of women - and that's a really, really good thing for both the public and the vast majority of coppers. Makes policing much easier he reckons.
But he thinks, in general, the culture hasn't changed as much as it could and too much bad policing and poor discipline still goes on, which he puts down to weak and ineffective leadership which causes all sorts of problems for the lower ranks who have to actually do the day-day policing.
Interestingly, he's almost scathing of the Met and thinks it's just too big to be run effectively.
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@victor-meldrew said in British Politics:
@catogrande said in British Politics:
What I have seen in the UK police force over many years is a jaundiced view of the world coloured by the experiences these guys have on a regular basis. Mentally they will have callouses on callouses.
One of my oldest friends is a retired Inspector in Hertfordshire and we've had a few discussions in the last few years.
His personal view is/was the Police can no longer get away with some of the stuff that was not uncommon when he started in the '80's in the Met - planting of evidence, faked confessions, poor treatment of women - and that's a really, really good thing for both the public and the vast majority of coppers. Makes policing much easier he reckons.
But he thinks, in general, the culture hasn't changed as much as it could and too much bad policing and poor discipline still goes on, which he puts down to weak and ineffective leadership which causes all sorts of problems for the lower ranks who have to actually do the day-day policing.
Interestingly, he's almost scathing of the Met and thinks it's just too big to be run effectively.
I've a very good friend who's a retired senior copper from Staffordshire.
Not a fan of the management of senior echelons. Pressure to join cliques, etc..
That said, procedural tightening alluded to means that most of the time a well advised crim can't successfully be prosecuted unless thay confess.
Which is why a blind eye is now turned to many, perfectly resonable, crime reports.
Haven't asked him about Met.
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@pakman said in British Politics:
That said, procedural tightening alluded to means that most of the time a well advised crim can't successfully be prosecuted unless thay confess.
My friend tells me the procedural tightening needed to happen after nearly 1 in 10 murder convictions were being overturned in the '90's/'00's due to evidence "irregularities". E.g. West Midlands Serious Crime Squad.
60+ convictions, inc murder, overturned - false evidence, torture of suspects etc. None of the policeman involved were prosecuted.. Must have been impossible being a decent PC dealing with Joe Public and villains after that was exposed.
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@victor-meldrew said in British Politics:
@pakman said in British Politics:
That said, procedural tightening alluded to means that most of the time a well advised crim can't successfully be prosecuted unless thay confess.
My friend tells me the procedural tightening needed to happen after nearly 1 in 10 murder convictions were being overturned in the '90's/'00's due to evidence "irregularities". E.g. West Midlands Serious Crime Squad.
60+ convictions, inc murder, overturned - false evidence, torture of suspects etc. None of the policeman involved were prosecuted.. Must have been impossible being a decent PC dealing with Joe Public and villains after that was exposed.
If my recollection serves correctly my mate was especially scathing about West Midlands. Think it was around 2000, though.
Also heavy Masonic influence. With us or against us.
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Question Time
Thursday 25 March 2021
CardiffNigel Owens, presumably invited because he’s a level-headed decision maker, became a fence sitter extraordinaire
Out of his depth and treading water all eveningVaughn Gething (Labour) must have been rubbing his hands.
Expecting a kicking from panel and virtual audience on Welsh Government’s handling of the’pandemic’ he watched the Welsh Conservatives and Plaid Cymru leaders going at it with each other thinking they were vying for first spot in the upcoming May elections when they were schoolyard scrapping over second.
Claire Fox from the Institute of Ideas was the most impressive
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UK Labour is a complete and utter joke.
When I arrived here in 2017, Corbyn was the leader. A far left positioned socialist whose mantra was that "there should be no billionaires in Britain". Something that unequivocally would have happened if he'd gotten in. Between the wealth taxes and the open anti-semitism, it was going to be goodnight nurse. However, the public spoke at the last election, and he got put out to pasture.
In comes Starmer. Perhaps not my natural choice of politician but somebody who at least showed some reality about living, the economy and leadership. And then the pandemic struck. As Boris bumbled his way through the start, Starmer was clear, strong and challenging. He binned a lot of the far left Labour, said the right things and Labour took the lead. And then he sort of faded away ... did nothing, said nothing and didn't really offer much of a challenge. A long came the vaccine success & the Tories jumped up again. Then the budget. A budget where Starmer's response was clearly written beforehand and didn't really offer any sort of riposte to it. Lame duck sprung to mind.
Well, it gets worse. Over the weekend, Easter weekend, he attended a Church which had been associated with some pretty poor homophobic activities. May had been there a couple of years ago and gotten slaughtered for it. Labour stuck to their guns for a bit, then backed off and Starmer issued an apology. Labour was home again to the LBGTQABADABBADOOO crew. And we all move forward.
And then along comes Stephen Timms, Labour MP. Who clearly provokes this community, with a clear prod saying how much he applauds their work! And then Lord Philp Hunt, Labour ... promotes a book the Trans activists claim is anti-trans!
Honestly, they are all over the show. As the saying goes, the left will eat itself.
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After a year in the job....
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Spectator summed up my previous post superbly
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This is worthy of brit ferners attention I reckon.
Section 127 of Communications Act 2003 is a problem I've heard a bit about. There's a push to get it repealed by that large tory majority. These guys sum up the whole thing very well.
There's a petition that I'd sign if I could
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It is just simple logic, isn't it? We've already had nearly 11 years of Conservative Government and the way it's going we could have another 11.
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Boris in a spot of bother at the moment. Cummings has let rip.
Hard to know what the truth is / what to believe. I'm fairly sure that Boris has said some pretty shoddy things over the last few months as Covid has ravaged the UK. But I doubt he would have said something like "Let The Bodies Pile High" as is being reported.
Although I could see how that could be part of another sentence quoted completely out of context.
What do the more seasoned UK dwellers think of this ...? It's all a bit meh to me.
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@majorrage I'd say that unless there is a recording of Boris spouting a load of awful stuff then it will be the usual he said, she said bollocks. So yeah a bit meh.
The interesting thing though is Cummins. He's been Boris' trusted sidekick since 2016 (maybe sooner, not sure) and has held an influential position in the governing of this country. He left amidst some acrimony but was insistent that it was always his intention to leave at the time he did. Now he has come back to shoot his former boss in the back. Who would employ him in a trusted position now?
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The whole Cummings thing was kicked off by No.10 accusing him of the leaks. If Cummings knows where the bodies are buried then it makes you wonder if the plan is to get things out in the open now, with a growing economy and move to normality in the next few month, rather than in election year.
But maybe I'm crediting politicians with too much intelligence.
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This has to be the coolest (or weirdest) political campaign video I've ever seen. Great name too..
(Was 50/50 putting it in this thread or the Stupid Shit You See on the Internet" one)
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@victor-meldrew said in British Politics:
This has to be the coolest (or weirdest) political campaign video I've ever seen. Great name too..
(Was 50/50 putting it in this thread or the Stupid Shit You See on the Internet" one)
WT actual F
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Huge result in Hartlepool for the Conservatives
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@mikethesnow said in British Politics:
Huge result in Hartlepool for the Conservatives
First time in 58 years!! Though there had been a strong UKIP/Leave sentiment in the town over the last decade or so, not a complete surprise. But still, if anywhere should be a 'workingman Labour safe seat'...
It's a result that 'should' be about as likely as National or ACT winning Mangere here. UK Labour have definitely lost the plot.
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