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@taniwharugby Looks like Shane Reti hung on in Northland, although the special votes haven't been counted yet
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@canefan it's a messy situation. Where are they coming from? how many? and how do 'we' manage these students coming through quarantine etc when we seem reasonably pushed as is.
There is definitely urgency for most of our tertiary education organisations (and also secondary schools) to refocus on local rather than overseas students, at least in terms of figuring out how to plug the revenue gap. National talked about letting Universities and other providers manage their own students (with oversight) but acknowledged the numbers would be low for a while. Pretty sure I've heard Hipkins mention something similar but not the private Q management aspect.
As with a lot of other sectors we can shift education away from overseas student/profit driven to something a bit more balanced. Absolutely nothing wrong with being a strong player in the international education scene, but not to the extent that our education systems can't manage without that revenue.
Hopefully this causes the recent ROVE consolidation of tertiary providers to get some momentum... hopefully!
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@JC said in NZ Politics:
@Godder Did your candidate win?
By 14,455 votes before specials.
International tourism and education being heavily reduced was being signalled already when Robertson pointed out that they couldn't subsidise failing businesses and industries forever, and they were named as examples.
Both were important foreign exchange earners, but tourism jobs were some of the worst in the country (by average wages and looking at the hours of work and other conditions), and I've said before that international education was a blight, at least in terms of how many vulnerable students and families would borrow colossal amounts of money on the promise of NZ residency. No doubt both will return in smaller amounts, but this is a good opportunity for a reset.
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@canefan international students-this is what I don't understand.
International students to Australia pay huge fees AND medical insurance for them and partners/children.
In NZ (I think) international postgrads, well PhD anyway, pay the same figures as domestic?
4th largest export market in Australia. Gone.
NZ should surely capitalize. It is not like that market is going to the UK or US now either. Not just the fame across the world but the pull of no local COVID transmission is surely a market winner? -
@nostrildamus said in NZ Politics:
Not just the fame across the world but the pull of no local COVID transmission is surely a market winner?
yeah,a bout that no covid thing ...https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/123126179/coronavirus-one-new-community-case-of-covid19-in-auckland
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Ok don't go to all those universities in Taranaki!
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@nostrildamus said in NZ Politics:
Ok don't go to all those universities in Taranaki!
Eh, I was a bit tongue in cheek. The reality is though, that covid free doesn't appear to exist, and may not ever exist again. Given the delay in symptoms, we can have Covid and not know, therefore we can never state we are covid free.
Your point is sound, though. We should be safely bringing people over the border in whatever condition we can, rather than just saying 'no'.
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Yes well given Australia's internal border stuff ups NZ could really hurry ahead and do some great things, pitch the lifestyle to the techie types (like Brisbane did to the US East Coast game companies about 15 years ago), entice the top students, maybe entice unis to move out of high cost CBD areas (Auckland anyway)..campus by the Mount! Or Queenstown/Wanaka..
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@nostrildamus said in NZ Politics:
Yes well given Australia's internal border stuff ups NZ could really hurry ahead and do some great things, pitch the lifestyle to the techie types (like Brisbane did to the US East Coast game companies about 15 years ago), entice the top students, maybe entice unis to move out of high cost CBD areas (Auckland anyway)..campus by the Mount! Or Queenstown/Wanaka..
We have a once in a generation chance to trade off this
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Except it goes the other way too. If you send your kid to NZ you might face the situation of them not being able to leave and you not being able to go see them. I know this because one of my close family members is bringing their kids back to Japan, because the father is not an NZ resident, so can't visit, and because government regulations can change in an instant, they could be left with him not being able to see them for years.
If we put that into the wider picture, many/most of my students are funded by their parents/grandparents and are incredibly risk averse. So, if the kids are in NZ, then the Covid risk may be lower, but here in Japan it's hardly a problem for kids of that age anyway, so all that happens is you send your kids there and then you end up being a problem to their host country - NZ doesn't want family members of visiting students to come in and spend money (or at least, doesn't want it now).
On the other hand, Australia is already far more established as a destination, enjoys a similar standing with respect to Covid, and is making a much bigger effort to get students back and tourism started. I don't see this as a win for NZ at all, unless people are planning to move there long term.
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@Godder said in NZ Politics:
International tourism and education being heavily reduced was being signalled already when Robertson pointed out that they couldn't subsidise failing businesses and industries forever, and they were named as examples.
Both were important foreign exchange earners, but tourism jobs were some of the worst in the country (by average wages and looking at the hours of work and other conditions), and I've said before that international education was a blight, at least in terms of how many vulnerable students and families would borrow colossal amounts of money on the promise of NZ residency. No doubt both will return in smaller amounts, but this is a good opportunity for a reset.
Reset to what?
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@gt12 said in NZ Politics:
On the other hand, Australia is already far more established as a destination, enjoys a similar standing with respect to Covid
-it should not have a similar standing and the govt has just done a crazy crazy refunding policy with universities, over 20,000 staff are predicted to lose their jobs this year, must affect teaching and supervision quality.
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ps I wish journalists did not write decimation because it just unleashes so many pedant battles
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@Frank said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
International tourism and education being heavily reduced was being signalled already when Robertson pointed out that they couldn't subsidise failing businesses and industries forever, and they were named as examples.
Both were important foreign exchange earners, but tourism jobs were some of the worst in the country (by average wages and looking at the hours of work and other conditions), and I've said before that international education was a blight, at least in terms of how many vulnerable students and families would borrow colossal amounts of money on the promise of NZ residency. No doubt both will return in smaller amounts, but this is a good opportunity for a reset.
Reset to what?
More focused on internal tourists and Australians, less focused on quantity. International tertiary education could return to bachelor's degrees and above like it used to be. Foreign exchange students would be fine to continue.
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@nostrildamus said in NZ Politics:
@gt12 said in NZ Politics:
On the other hand, Australia is already far more established as a destination, enjoys a similar standing with respect to Covid
-it should not have a similar standing and the govt has just done a crazy crazy refunding policy with universities, over 20,000 staff are predicted to lose their jobs this year, must affect teaching and supervision quality.
For those in the field, I agree. I know that from personal experience - I missed out on an opportunity to interview for a job that was pretty much my dream job because it was eaten up by Covid. I've got some friends whose jobs are in danger.
However, for students and parents, not at all. Oz is already making moves to get back in the international student game - we have had a number of orientation sessions from Oz universities in the last two months, all offering us really good terms to start getting our students back over there. The first schools who've agreed to start accepting our return exchange students - Oz universities. That matters as students then want to choose those schools as they know they have a far great likelihood of going to those schools. The EAP/English programs are being revisited at some schools because they weren't really delivering enough profit to be worth the money but most of our partners are jumping up and down trying to get some business from us.
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@nostrildamus said in NZ Politics:
Yes well given Australia's internal border stuff ups NZ could really hurry ahead and do some great things, pitch the lifestyle to the techie types (like Brisbane did to the US East Coast game companies about 15 years ago), entice the top students, maybe entice unis to move out of high cost CBD areas (Auckland anyway)..campus by the Mount! Or Queenstown/Wanaka..
You think that land in Qtown or Wanaka is cheap? It's limited by mountains and lakes as much as councils as the limits on room for infrastructure already has Qtown struggling to cope)
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@NTA said in NZ Politics:
Just saw a clip of someone called Tova O'Brien interview a taking forehead by the name of Jami-Lee* Ross. Christ she didn't miss. Is that common?
*Seriously think that's a stripper name.
Not that common but he has been a festering stain for the last 2 years and is a particularly reviled politician (which is saying something). He deserved everything he got.
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