2016 Rugby Championship



  • This has just been posted on the NZRU website:

    Changes for the Rugby Championship
     ALLBLACKS.COM     23 JUN 2016
     SANZAAR has confirmed that the modified bonus point system that was introduced into Super Rugby this season will be adopted for The Rugby Championship, and that the first ever Rugby Championship Test Match will be staged in London.
     The Rugby Championship tournament in 2016 will therefore see the four-try bonus point replaced by a bonus point awarded to a team finishing three or more tries ahead of its opponent. The bonus point for losing by seven or fewer points remains unchanged.
     SANZAAR has also announced the match schedule and kick-off times for The Rugby Championship that will include for the first time a match played at Twickenham Stadium on the 8th October 2016 between Argentina and 2015 Championship winners Australia. This is a nominated home match for Argentina that will play its other home matches in Salta and Buenos Aires.
     The Twickenham match will be the final game of the Championship and could have a huge bearing on the outcome of the tournament. Argentina will be keen to reverse its loss to the Wallabies at the same venue in the 2015 Rugby World Cup semi-final.
     The Rugby Championship will be played across six weekends/rounds and will also for the first time include a match at Mbombela Stadium, Nelspruit, South Africa.
     SANZAAR CEO, Andy Marinos stated, “SANZAAR EXCO reviewed the bonus point system implemented into Super Rugby this year and believed it had a significant impact in rewarding the more dominant teams, created a competition for the full 80 minutes and is providing a reward system that recognises both attack and defence.”
     â€œHaving witnessed some of the most exciting and complete 80-minute games in the history of the competition this season, spurred on by the introduction of the new bonus point system, we believe that across the SANZAAR tournaments, for the sake of the players, broadcasters and the fans, we should have consistency in terms of the tournament points system.”
     â€œWe look forward to the continuation of similar, exciting and impactful rugby in the Test Matches of the 2016 Rugby Championship.”
     â€œSANZAAR is also delighted to be playing in two new cities this year with Mbombela Stadium, Nelspruit and Twickenham in London hosting Championship matches,” added Marinos.
     The Rugby Championship 2016
     Competition points will be awarded in all matches on the following basis:
     Win 4 pointsDraw 2 pointsLoss 0 points for loss of more than 7 pointsBonus 1 point for loss by 7 points or lessBonus 1 point for 3 tries or more than opponent

    http://www.allblacks.com/News/29361/changes-for-the-rugby-championship



  • Does anybody like the new bonus point system?



  • Does anybody like the new bonus point system?



  • I don't have a problem with it.



  • Does anybody like the new bonus point system?

    I like it.



  • Hurts ABs and NZ super teams.



  • Does anybody like the new bonus point system?

    I prefer it to the old system where a 48-43 loss was worth the same as a 3-3 draw.



  • Hurts ABs and NZ super teams.

    How so?



  • How so?

    At a guess, we can often score 4 tries while losing. At a Super level the Canes have done that for years. Also we have tended to score 4 tries but leak them too when winning, so a lot of our wins have been BP wins because we've scored 4, but we leaked 3. In contrast the Boks rarely got a 4 try bonus, but also rarely leaked many. At a guess we've probably banked more 4 try BP in the TriNations than the rest put together.
     
    You can see that last weekend where we scored 5 (BP in old system) & then leaked 3 (so no BP in new system)



  • I'm sure there will be teething troubles in the transition period but it'll even itself out I think.



  • I like it better than the previous version.



  • I also like it, better than the old system in my opinion.



  • not that fussed really, either way TBH...
     
    In super rugby 2013 there were 81 BPs (BP1 41 and BP2 39) after 14 rounds
    In super rugby 2014 there were 73 BPs (BP1 38 and BP2 35) after 14 rounds
    In super rugby 2015 there were 89 BPs (BP1 45 and BP2 44) after 14 rounds
    In super rugby 2016 there were 80 BPs (BP1 39 and BP2 40) after 14 rounds



  • three more teams but.



  • three more teams but.

    takes it down to 70 if you remove the 10 BPs from those 3 teams, although as I am sure know it wouldn't be quite that straight forward, given most teams that have played them have received a BP they may not have received otherwise....
     
    I was just putting the stats up to shows the variance in previous years when it was as it had always been,and cos stats are awesome for showing stuff that is meaningless 🙂



  • Your stats aren't really relevant though.
     
    As mentioned above, it removes the situation where a loss with 2 bonus points gives the same points as a draw. I don't think that's fair.



  • not my stats bro, they come from a website...I just posted them, they prove loads of stuff about stuff!



  • Also the circa 14 x 3 extra games played  which is another circa 42 games to have bonus points after 14 rounds.



  • Your stats aren't really relevant though.
     
    As mentioned above, it removes the situation where a loss with 2 bonus points gives the same points as a draw. I don't think that's fair.

    I have no issue with it.  2 points is fark all -- if you score 4 tries, and get within 7, then why the hell not?  The 4 try bonus point incentivises running open rugby.  The 3 try margin emphasises dominant victories. With the 4 try, losing teams are playing to get a point, rather than deny someone else a bonus point.
     
    I was OK with the 4 try, and not particularly fussed about the 3 clear try rule.  We'll see how it goes though.



  • It's probably not that relevant - the last time the competition was decided on bonus points was 2005 (NZ won, after it and SA went 3-1) while in 2004 all three teams went 2-2. Over 6 games, the likelihood is probably the same that bonus points settle the champion.
     
    nzzp is right - the systems emphasise different things (more try-scoring vs. dominant wins). Both are equally valid victories which still encourage try scoring (you still have to score at least three tries to be in contention). The new system to be strikes a better balance between try scoring and rewarding good defence - the old system is biased towards try scoring. However, a team can have what I would still consider a dominant win in terms of tries scored (3 tries to 1 or 4 tries to 2) and still not get rewarded.
     
    Without advocating even more change before this one has an effect, moving to 6 point tries and 2 point penalty goals would certainly  incentivise try-scoring and reduce the likelihood of losing bonus points.



  • In theory this new bonus points system is meant to encourage teams to play for the full 80 mins (a terrible cliche), and continue to attack or defend depending on the circumstances.  Previously a team that had banked the 4 try bonus point wasn't that worried if they leaked tries in the last 20 mins because they still got the 5 points for a win.
     
    The big downside is that there is the potential for the winning team to be more negative and just kick the ball away near the end of the game.  Better to be in the oppostion's half without the ball than risk conceding a late try by running it from within your own half.  Watch the Top 14, it hasn't made for a better spectacle.



  • You couldn't make most T14 games a better spectacle with strippers, it's dour rubbish



  • Also depends what you class as a spectacle.
     
    I reckon the England v Australia series has been a better watch than the NZ v Wales series. I'd rather watch close games than open try fests



  • I don't mind a tight, low scoring affair at all (I'm a forward for christ's sake, i fucking love lineouts and mauls), as long as there is still some endeavour and skill involved. Some T14 games i watch are just basic bash it in to the teeth, set piece, repeat, neither side willing to try much at all. Boring. It's not all games, i've watched some very good ones, but they are in the minority (qualifier, i don't watch a huge amount, and maybe i am just unlucky).



  • Also depends what you class as a spectacle.
     
    I reckon the England v Australia series has been a better watch than the NZ v Wales series. I'd rather watch close games than open try fests

    Same here! That last game was my favourite match this season.
     
    This weekends game is even more intriguing as it could prove Catogrande to be a witch and England get the whitewash!



  • This weekends game is even more intriguing as it could prove Catogrande to be a witch and England get the whitewash!

    Peasant 1: We have found a witch, may we burn him? (cheers)
    Vladimir: How do you know he is a witch?
    P2: He looks like one!
    V: Bring him forward
    (advance)

    Catogrande: I'm not a witch! I'm not a witch!
    V: ehh... but you are dressed like one.
    😄 They dressed me up like this!
    All: naah no we didn't... no.
    😄 And this isn't my nose, it's a false one.
    (V lifts up carrot)
    V: Well?
    P1: Well we did do the nose
    V: The nose?
    P1: ...And the hat, but he is a witch!
    (all: yeah, burn him burn him!)
    V: Did you dress him up like this?
    P1: No! (no no... no) Yes. (yes yeah) a bit (a bit bit a bit) But he has got a wart!
    (P3 points at wart)
    V: What makes you think he is a witch?
    P2: Well, he turned me into a newt!
    V: A newt?!
    (P2 pause & look around)
    P2: I got better.
    (pause)

    P3: Burn him anyway! (burn him burn him burn!)
    (king walks in)
    V: There are ways of telling whether he is a witch.

    P1: Are there? Well then tell us! (tell us)
    V: Tell me... what do you do with witches?
    P3: Burn'em! Burn them up! (burn burn burn)
    V: What do you burn apart from witches?
    P1: More witches! (P2 nudge P1)
    (pause)
    P3: Wood!
    V: So, why do witches burn?
    (long pause)
    P2: Cuz they're made of... wood?
    V: Gooood.

    (crowd congratulates P2)
    V: So, how do we tell if he is made of wood?
    P1: Build a bridge out of him!
    V: Ahh, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?
    P1: Oh yeah...
    V: Does wood sink in water?
    P1: No
    P3: No. It floats!
    P1: Let's throw her into the bog! (yeah yeah ya!)
    V: What also floats in water?
    P1: Bread
    P3: Apples
    P2: Very small rocks
    (V looks annoyed)
    P1: Cider
    P3: Grape gravy
    P1: Cherries
    P3: Mud
    King: A Duck!
    (all look and stare at king)
     
    V: Exactly! So, logically...
    P1(thinking): If he weighs the same as a duck... she's made of wood!
    V: And therefore,
    (pause & think)
    P3: A witch! (P1: a witch)(P2: a witch)(all: a witch!)
    V: We shall use my largest scales.
    (V jumps down)



  • I preferred the old system for Super rugby. Not that the new one is bad, I just don't buy the argument that it somehow means teams will "play for the 80"
    The threat of losing is what will keep teams playing and if they are that far ahead that a couple of tries against them doesn't matter I don't think any bonus point system is going to change that.
    The other reason I don't like it is because Im automatically suspicious of any changes SANZAR makes to "fix" the product which apparently so broken despite producing the Top 3 test teams in the world over the last decade or so (give or take a few fluctuations).
     
    With the shorter rugby championship game I'm not sure what system would be best. Don't think the old one was broken. Do we even need bonus points? Why not just a count back on for and against between the teams that are tied on the table?



  • All Blacks preparation for the RC: Counties Manukau and Northland

    A Game of Three Halves returns
     allblacks.com     24 Jun 2016
     The All Blacks will again take on two provincial sides, Counties Manukau and Northland in August, as part of their preparations for the Investec Rugby Championship, it was announced today.
     The ‘Game of Three Halves’ training matches will be held at ECOLight Stadium in Pukekohe on the evening of Friday 12 August, with the first ‘game’ kicking off at 5.30pm.
     The All Blacks will play 40-minute training matches against each provincial side, with the two provincial teams also playing a 40-minute match.
     The matches will be played as the provincial sides prepare to kick off their 2016 campaigns for the renamed national competition, the Mitre 10 Cup.
     It will be the second time Counties Manukau have hosted the All Blacks for the hugely-popular event, with previous events in Auckland and Wellington attracting thousands of fans.
     Tickets for The Game of Three Halves are available from the Counties Manukau RFU offices at ECOLight Stadium or online from iticket.co.nz. Ticket prices start from $7 for the embankment.
     Counties Manukau Steelers Head Coach Darryl Suasua can’t wait for the occasion.
     â€œThe opportunity to take on the All Blacks and Northland at home in Pukekohe is exciting for our community and our players. It will be an honour to play and host the All Blacks again and we are really looking forward to this.”
     All Blacks Head Coach Steve Hansen said: “The training matches against provincial teams are great for our build-up and we are grateful for the opportunity to play Counties Manukau and Northland. It should be a great night.”
     Northland Taniwha Head Coach Richie Harris said: “Many New Zealand boys dream of one day playing for the All Blacks. Our national provincial competition has always been part of the pathway into Super Rugby and into the All Blacks. This is a rare opportunity for our players to play against the All Blacks, possibly the next best thing to playing for our national team.”
     The All Blacks will be in Auckland as part of their preparations for the Bledisloe Cup and opening Investec Rugby Championship Test against Australia in Sydney on Saturday 20 August.
     The opening round of Mitre 10 Cup will kick off the same week, with Counties Manukau taking on North Harbour on Thursday 18 August and Northland playing Manawatu the following night.
     Click here to view the Mitre 10 Cup draw for 2016.
     Click here to view the Investec Rugby Championship draw.

    http://www.allblacks.com/News/29367/a-game-of-three-halves-returns


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