TRC squad



  • Not sure if rules will dictate size of squad, but assuming the same 31 as 2014, I'd assume they'll go for two hookers, as per 2014, and two halfbacks.
     
    So one assumes the starting point is current squad plus SBW and NMS, so it becomes a choice of who to leave out. Initial views in Red below:
     
    HookersDane Coles Codie Taylor Nathan Harris 
     
    PropsWyatt Crockett Charlie Faumuina Owen Franks Joe Moody Ofa Tu'ungafasi 
     
    LocksBrodie Retallick Luke Romano Patrick Tuipulotu Samuel Whitelock 
     
    Loose ForwardsSam Cane Elliot Dixon Jerome Kaino Kieran Read, captain Ardie Savea Liam Squire HalfbacksTawera Kerr-Barlow Aaron Smith First five-eighthsBeauden Barrett Aaron Cruden Lima Sopoaga Midfielders
     
    SBW
    Ryan Crotty Malakai Fekitoa Charlie Ngatai Seta Tamanivalu George Moala
     
    Outside backs
     
    Israel Dagg Damian McKenzie Waisake Naholo Julian Savea Ben Smith 
    NMS
     
    Not that much to speculate on!
     
    Barring someone like Todd or Lautua playing their way in -- unlikely, although not impossible -- the only real intrigue is whether Ngatai can do enough in finals football to unseat GOTJ, who seems to have played his way in (but will be on sidelines throughout). Other wild card would be injuries, esp. to RC/MF.



  • Of course if NMS out the easy answer to pick CN and GOTJ!



  • The only thing really to debate is who makes the midfield cut.  Also if they drop 1 loose forward is it squire or dixon?
     
    Personally, I'd like to see them pick Beauden's brother in the locks and leave Romano out: he's the new Cory Flynn.  We know what he can do, he does it to a certain level, he's never going to be amazing.



  • I think theyll take 3 halfbacks.
    Can see others entering calculations due to probable injuries in upcoming Super Rugby.



  • The only thing really to debate is who makes the midfield cut.  Also if they drop 1 loose forward is it squire or dixon?
     
    Personally, I'd like to see them pick Beauden's brother in the locks and leave Romano out: he's the new Cory Flynn.  We know what he can do, he does it to a certain level, he's never going to be amazing.

    I agree. Although Romano isn't bad, as you said he's not gonna get any better. I would like to see Scott Barrett blooded before the year is out.



  • GOTJ,
    RC/MF.

    Who?
     
    I can get Crotty and Fekitoa, but c'mon man just write their names, I don't have the time to work out who the hell you're on about....   😉



  • George of the jungle, Moalas nickname in the gym according to CF (Charlie Faumuina)...took me a while to get it



  • If you are going to South Africa or Argentina you have to take 3 halfbacks and hookers. If someone goes down the night before, you can't fly someone over.
     
    I think you need to drop one forward from your squad to make way for a hooker. Squire is in so you take either Dixon or Romano, IMO. I would also only take one of Naholo or J. Savea. I would probably put Moala ahead of Fekitoa.



  • I doubt McKenzie will be in the squad as I think they are looking at him long term.



  • Richard Knowler's article (link below) refers to 32 players being selected on August 1 for the RC. It also contradicts Pat McKendry's article last week which said SBW would be considered for the opening game in Sydney.
     
    http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/81461624/bordering-on-the-ridiculous-hansen-says-global-season-cant-come-soon-enough
     
    "...but until he names his squad on August 1..."
     
    "Thirty-two players will be selected for the Rugby Championship..."
     
    "While Hansen wouldn't be drawn on subjects such as whether to overlook utility back Damian McKenzie, the only fit player not to play Wales, for the Rugby Championship and instead nurture him during the northern tour, he did confirm midfielder Sonny Bill Williams wouldn't have enough time to prepare for the opening test against the Wallabies."



  • George of the jungle, Moalas nickname in the gym according to CF (Charlie Faumuina)...took me a while to get it

    Well it's a damn sight more creative than "Reado" or 'Franksy".......
     
    Typical fucken conservative Cantabs.



  • I agree. Although Romano isn't bad, as you said he's not gonna get any better. I would like to see Scott Barrett blooded before the year is out.

    I'm still unsure if Barrett has the size required as an international lock.



  • Anyone know when NMS due back?
     
    Also saw squad size of 32 referred to. In which case 3 hookers and half backs. Assuming 3 first fives and 18/14 back split, then things nicely set up for 4 midfielders -- SBW/RC/MF/CN -- 4 back three -- WN/JS/BS/ID -- and 1 'utility', which has Moala's name written all over it!
     
    Barring an absolute stand out in end of Super finales, injuries will be the major influence sad to say.



  • Anyone know when NMS due back?

    Originally Sept was mentioned.  That is midway through the RC but you would think NMS would need a few games for the Poo before he played for the ABs.



  • the only real intrigue is whether Ngatai can do enough in finals football to unseat GOTJ, who seems to have played his way in (but will be on sidelines throughout).

    I'm pretty doubtful that Moala has played his way in. Yes, he made some good line breaks - but none of them were directly converted because of a poor pass to Read and going himself with men unmarked. So I'd say a little bit of a mixed bag.
     
    For me, Ngatai has been the outstanding midfielder of Super rugby to date this year, Crotty played well to very well in all three Wales tests, Fekitoa started the year ranked ahead of everyone except SBW, and Hansen has already said SBW is a lock. In my mind, what Moala probably did was jump ahead of Tamanivalu.
     
    I think if Moala makes it he makes it at the expense of McKenzie or, just maybe, Savea as predominantly a wing option.
     
    Hansen already said we would need three halfbacks for TRC and I'm equally sure we'll need three hookers, so my guess is a squad of 32 and Perenara comes in for McKenzie and SBW comes in for Tamanivalu. Can't see a squad of 31 for TRC given they had 32 for Wales (and the rule change regarding bench props). If anything I'd think they might be allowed an extra player or two.



  • I'm pretty doubtful that Moala has played his way in. Yes, he made some good line breaks - but none of them were directly converted because of a poor pass to Read and going himself with men unmarked. So I'd say a little bit of a mixed bag.
     
    For me, Ngatai has been the outstanding midfielder of Super rugby to date this year, Crotty played well to very well in all three Wales tests, Fekitoa started the year ranked ahead of everyone except SBW, and Hansen has already said SBW is a lock. In my mind, what Moala probably did was jump ahead of Tamanivalu.
     
    I think if Moala makes it he makes it at the expense of McKenzie or, just maybe, Savea as predominantly a wing option.
     
    Hansen already said we would need three halfbacks for TRC and I'm equally sure we'll need three hookers, so my guess is a squad of 32 and Perenara comes in for McKenzie and SBW comes in for Tamanivalu. Can't see a squad of 31 for TRC given they had 32 for Wales (and the rule change regarding bench props). If anything I'd think they might be allowed an extra player or two.

    But Fekitoa and Taminuvula didn't even do that much. Surely Moala did more than enough, those are kinks that can be ironed out.



  • I wonder what the coaches are thinking re: Fekitoa. How long do they give him to improve his game? He has the raw ingredients so they usually back themselves to fine tune players like that, but he hasn't made a lot of progress. I'm inclined to think Moala is a better long term option at this stage.



  • I'm pretty doubtful that Moala has played his way in. Yes, he made some good line breaks - but none of them were directly converted because of a poor pass to Read and going himself with men unmarked. So I'd say a little bit of a mixed bag.
     
    For me, Ngatai has been the outstanding midfielder of Super rugby to date this year, Crotty played well to very well in all three Wales tests, Fekitoa started the year ranked ahead of everyone except SBW, and Hansen has already said SBW is a lock. In my mind, what Moala probably did was jump ahead of Tamanivalu.
     
    I think if Moala makes it he makes it at the expense of McKenzie or, just maybe, Savea as predominantly a wing option.
     
    Hansen already said we would need three halfbacks for TRC and I'm equally sure we'll need three hookers, so my guess is a squad of 32 and Perenara comes in for McKenzie and SBW comes in for Tamanivalu. Can't see a squad of 31 for TRC given they had 32 for Wales (and the rule change regarding bench props). If anything I'd think they might be allowed an extra player or two.

    Given the recent history of AB selections, i think you are right. Fekitoa will be retained because he had first crack, has been in the team for a couple of years, and missed the last one through injury. Crotty showed enough to suggest he should be in the mix (he's a good foil for the other players), and SBW is a walk up inclusion. 
     
    However, i think you are underplaying Moala's impact in the first half (maybe because he is from Auckland you biased prick?  :whistle: ). He showed me more than i have seen from Fekitoa, power and incision through the middle; and pace to get on the outside as well. While it's easy to say his breaks didn't result in tries, the still put us in good positions (okay, halftime for one of them), and i saw what he was trying to do with two of them, it just probably wasn't the right call. That shit can be ironed out.
     
    So, I guess i am saying, ultimately i think he'll miss the squad, but personally i think that would be a mistake.



  • don't expect to see Ngatai there.. he's fcuked.
     
    only thing he's been able to do in the last 5 weeks is calf raises without bringing on headaches so he's got a long road back...
     
    hopefully not the next Ben Afaeki.. but considering it came from an 'innocous knock' you've got to have some serious concerns for him..



  • don't expect to see Ngatai there.. he's fcuked.
    only thing he's been able to do in the last 5 weeks is calf raises without bringing on headaches so he's got a long road back...
    hopefully not the next Ben Afaeki.. but considering it came from an 'innocous knock' you've got to have some serious concerns for him..

    Yeah I thought if he doesn't travel to Suva this weekend then his shot at making the RC squad is all but lost given he hasn't played for what 6-7 weeks and he mustn't have done any significant training.



  • Also, Cruden is relegated to the bench by the superior Donald who is looking at making the TRC squad



  • Also, Cruden is relegated to the bench by the superior Donald who is looking at making the TRC squad

    Good. We will need a back up for Dagg who is timing his run nicely to take the 10 jersey.



  • don't expect to see Ngatai there.. he's fcuked.
     
    only thing he's been able to do in the last 5 weeks is calf raises without bringing on headaches so he's got a long road back...
     
    hopefully not the next Ben Afaeki.. but considering it came from an 'innocous knock' you've got to have some serious concerns for him..

    Not good news - except for George...who I think would then slide into the squad ahead of Tamanivalu.



  • Good. We will need a back up for Dagg who is timing his run nicely to take the 10 jersey.

    I can't wait to see it.  When is the team named?



  • Hope Charlie Ngatai isn't a casualty -- really stood out in Super Rugby!
     
    But if fit, Chris B is agreeing with what i put later in thread -- TJP/SBW in, ST DMcK out.
     
    Which means Moala is cover for 11-14 (in fact I don't know if he play both sides).



  • I'm an unabashed fan of Moala but don't want Ngatai to turn into another James Broadhurst.



  • Good news on Moala - looks like he may yet turn out for the Blues again this season.

    Injured All Black George Moala is full of confidence, so it's no wonder he wants to get back into action for the Blues.
    The 25-year-old scored his first All Blacks try in the 46-6 drubbing of Wales in Dunedin before succumbing to an elbow injury that forced him from the field.
    Moala was initially ruled out for four weeks with the ligaments injury, but he's already returned to Blues training as the All Blacks settle back into Super Rugby.
    Blues coach Tana Umaga said that Moala could return earlier than first predicted, with the midfielder keen to get back on the field.
    "You don't know, it's his elbow and he's adamant he's alright, he can run no worries," Umaga said.
    "He just wants to help the boys as best they can, so we'll just keep looking at that and see what the medical staff say."
     
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/sport/video-blues-waiting-to-unleash-injured-george-moala-2016063014#axzz4D25NPGC0



  • I/m liking Moala's attitude



  • Good news on Moala - looks like he may yet turn out for the Blues again this season.
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    Moala was initially ruled out for four weeks with the ligaments injury, but he's already returned to Blues training as the All Blacks settle back into Super Rugby.[/font][font='Helvetica Neue']
    Blues coach Tana Umaga said that Moala could return earlier than first predicted, with the midfielder keen to get back on the field.[/font][font='Helvetica Neue']
    "You don't know, it's his elbow and he's adamant he's alright, he can run no worries," Umaga said.[/font][font='Helvetica Neue']
    "He just wants to help the boys as best they can, so we'll just keep looking at that and see what the medical staff say."[/font][font='Helvetica Neue']http://www.newshub.co.nz/sport/video-blues-waiting-to-unleash-injured-george-moala-2016063014#axzz4D25NPGC0[/font]

    Short memories at newshub?



  • no internet to do research?



  • Short memories at newshub?

    Fuck that's amateurishly poor.......
     
    Two tries in two matches and he's still far from a shoe in. Not sure what to make of that.



  • According to Grant Fox on The Breakdown, they are picking 32 players for the RC



  • According to Grant Fox on The Breakdown, they are picking 32 players for the RC

    My 32 would include:
    3 hookers
    6 Props
    4 locks
    5 loose forwards
     
    2 halfbacks
    3 1st 5s
    4 midfielders
    5 outside backs
     
    On standby will be:
    1 prop
    1 loose forward
    1 halfback
    1 midfield/outside back



  • My 32 would include:
    3 hookers
    6 Props
    4 locks
    5 loose forwards
     
    2 halfbacks
    3 1st 5s
    4 midfielders
    5 outside backs
     
    On standby will be:
    1 prop
    1 loose forward
    1 halfback
    1 midfield/outside back

    You need to go to the Republic with 3 halfbacks. I don't know what the rules are exactly but the only way you have 2 halfbacks in your squad is if you can take non squad members to South Africa.



  • My 32 would include:
    3 hookers
    6 Props
    4 locks
    5 loose forwards
     
    2 halfbacks
    3 1st 5s
    4 midfielders
    5 outside backs
     
    On standby will be:
    1 prop
    1 loose forward
    1 halfback
    1 midfield/outside back

    Sounds about right, but I would take 2 first fives and 3 halfbacks, would count Barret as an outside back.



  • You need to go to the Republic with 3 halfbacks. I don't know what the rules are exactly but the only way you have 2 halfbacks in your squad is if you can take non squad members to South Africa.

    Cruden as emergency....
     
    There are no restrictions like the World Cup that I am aware of. You could probably take as many players as you want to but you would think that the NZRU would have budgets etc that it has to stick by.



  • Last years squad to SA -
     
    Hookers: Dane Coles, Keven Mealamu, Codie Taylor
    Props: Wyatt Crockett, Ben Franks, Owen Franks, Nepo Laulala,Tony Woodcock
    Locks: James Broadhurst, Brodie Retallick, Luke Romano,Samuel Whitelock
    Loose forwards: Jerome Kaino, Richie McCaw, Liam Messam, Kieran Read, Victor Vito
     
    Scrumhalves: Andy Ellis, TJ Perenara, Aaron Smith
    Flyhalves: Beauden Barrett, Colin Slade, Lima Sopoaga 
    Centre: Ryan Crotty, Malakai Fekitoa, Ma’a Nonu, Conrad Smith
    Outside backs: Israel Dagg, Charles Piutau, Julian Savea, Ben Smith



  • Last years squad to SA -
     
    Hookers: Dane Coles, Keven Mealamu, Codie Taylor
    Props: Wyatt Crockett, Ben Franks, Owen Franks, Nepo Laulala,Tony Woodcock
    Locks: James Broadhurst, Brodie Retallick, Luke Romano,Samuel Whitelock
    Loose forwards: Jerome Kaino, Richie McCaw, Liam Messam, Kieran Read, Victor Vito
     
    Scrumhalves: Andy Ellis, TJ Perenara, Aaron Smith
    Flyhalves: Beauden Barrett, Colin Slade, Lima Sopoaga 
    Centre: Ryan Crotty, Malakai Fekitoa, Ma’a Nonu, Conrad Smith
    Outside backs: Israel Dagg, Charles Piutau, Julian Savea, Ben Smith

    Makes life easy. My squad right now, assuming that SBW isn't picked. Not much for discussion is there? My only pick outside the box is Luatua. He's just playing too good to leave at home IMO so I guess they choose between Dixon or Squire, I picked Dixon as he has slightly more versatility:  
     
    Hookers: Coles, Harris, Taylor
    Props: Crockett, Moody, Franks, Faimuina, Ofa
    Locks: Retallick, Whitelock, Pat T, Romano 
    Loose forwards: Kaino, Cane, Read, A Savea, Luatua, Dixon (Squire unlucky)
     
    Scrumhalves: A. Smith, Perenara, TKB
    Flyhalves: Cruden, Barrett, Sopoaga 
    Centre: Crotty, Fekitoa, Moala, Ngatai (Tamanivalu cover for Ngatai)
    Outside backs: Dagg, Naholo, F. Savea, B. Smith



  • Question -- is 32 the squad limit (barring injuries) for entire comp? If so, because SBW is a shoe-in either CN or GM from above team would be casualties.
     
    From the limited game time I've seen of them, Squire is more physical than Dixon as Kaino backup, but expect the finals may be key come decision time.



  • And now Squire's got concussion.


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