Bastille day truck crash



  • http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/82132830/At-least-30-dead-after-truck-ploughs-into-crowd-in-Nice-France
    Christ , if it's terrorism we can be thankful the thing wasn't packed with explosives.



  • Its terrorism., the driver started shooting after thr crash and something similar happened at the Eiffel Tower
    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11675085



  • Fucken horrible, really hits home when these things occur in places you have visited



  • Hadn't the French just reduced thier threat level since the attacks



  • Incredibly enough guns aren't required to massacre dozens of innocent people.



  • You get the feeling that if ISIS claim this, something is going to have to give, and very very soon.



  • if they havent by now, it is unlikely to be a direct ISIS attack though is it?



  • Don't they normally wait 24 hours before claiming attacks?



  • Not sure what you do about heavy vehicle attacks like this though.



  • Bollards so people can freely congregate en masse.



  • #PrayforNice
     
    OK, being philosophical, do people interpret these slogans as meaning "Show solidarity", or are people actually being asked to pray?



  • Don't they normally wait 24 hours before claiming attacks?
    Typically they wait for the public declaration of allegiance to emerge - usually this is done by the perp by leaving a message online or with authorities in the lead up to the attack.
    Once the press announce that, they'll claim.



  • Bollards so people can freely congregate en masse.

    Yeah, but that is of limited use. EG there's bollards stopping anyone driving into Covent Garden piazza. Liecester Square etc, but you could easiliy get up a good head of steam & kill 100's in a truck down Oxford street, Regents street, Long Acre etc.
     
    They used to have fencing up at the corner in Oxford circus etc, but have taken it down because it makes pedestrian traffic flow better so any given Saturday you could come straight down Oxford street, cut the corner, kill 150, & carry on down the sidewalk on Regents street.
     
    There's pretty much zero way to defend againhst it bar banning all trucks from city centres



  • Typically they wait for the public declaration of allegiance to emerge - usually this is done by the perp by leaving a message online or with authorities in the lead up to the attack.
    Once the press announce that, they'll claim.

    Yeah, they don't seem to really coordinate any attacks on the west. They just hope their followers in western countries do something and then declare for ISIS so they can claim it.



  • but thats a little different to them co-ordinating it, like the attacks on Paris...they dont claim attacks that arent thiers, but will gladly accept someone who claims to have fought in thier name.



  • The guy was totally unknown to police and no one has claimed anything. Mood very sombre here. I'm heading down south now and the security at the airport is back to full armed guard.
    People here sick of prayers that do nothing.



  • Also nothing going on at the tower just a fire truck that caught fire. Alanis Morisette is being questioned about that incident.



  • The guy was totally unknown to police and no one has claimed anything. Mood very sombre here. I'm heading down south now and the security at the airport is back to full armed guard.People here sick of prayers that do nothing.

    Safe travels mooshld.
     
    That's the trouble with the thoughts and prayers brigade - action wins every time.



  • Pornhub have the tricolour on their banner which is nice.



  • I was in Nice the very next morning, absolute chaos as you would imagine. People waiting around looking very grim, presumably waiting on news of loved ones. The main promenade closed to traffic and a five minute journey took almost an hour. People in tears all over the place. All very sad.



  • Pornhub have the tricolour on their banner which is nice.
    Did someone tell you about this or is it just how you deal with tragedy in the Jegga household?



  • Did someone tell you about this or is it just how you deal with tragedy in the Jegga household?

    We all grieve in our own way. Don't judge me.





  • apparently ISIS claiming he was a 'soldier'
     
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/isis-claims-responsility-nice-attack-describing-truck-driver-soldier

    "Yeah this brave man [mumbles random name] was definitely one of ours!"
     
    As ISIS continually have their arse handed to them out in the desert, they'll latch onto anything. What's odd is they usually wait for some form of allegiance call from the perp to come out before doing this e.g. the 911 call to police before the Orlando attack, or some facebook post etc. Haven't seen anything like that announced?
     
     
    Anyway, the other story coming out today is that he sent some money - $150K - to his family before the attack:
     
    http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/he-was-not-a-muslim-he-was-a-sh-death-driver-identified-as-france-mourns/news-story/7bd78b0439c69d35a32b4b77e87e05eb

    Overnight Bouhlel’s family revealed he had sent $150,000 just days before the atrocity.
     
    “Mohamed sent the family 240,000 Tunisian Dinars ($150,000) in the last few days,” his brother Jaber Bouhlel told the Daily Mail.
     
    “He used to send us small sums of money regularly like most Tunisians working abroad. But then he sent us all that money, it was fortune.
     
    “He sent the money illegally. He gave cash to people he knew who were returning to our village and asked them to give it to the family.”

    And he also wasn't the most popular chap in the family:

    A cousin of Bouhlel’s wife described him as a “nasty piece of work” who beat his wife and was not a Muslim.
     
    He was a dual Tunisian-French national who lived in Nice.
     
    “Bouhlel was not religious. He did not go to the mosque, he did not pray, he did not observe Ramadan,” Walid Hamou, a cousin of Bouhlel’s wife Hajer Khalfallah, told MailOnline.
     
    “He drank alcohol, ate pork and took drugs. This is all forbidden under Islam. He was not a Muslim, he was a s***. He beat his wife, my cousin, he was a nasty piece of work.”



  • These stories always come out with people claiming he is not a Muslim. We can agree he was a s*** though.   He drove a bus through a crowd, ISIS have claimed it. 
     
    Until it is proved otherwise, he worked for ISIS and therefore Islamic supremacists. Everything else is fluff, much like the stories that turned out to be myth about the Orlando bomber being gay.



  • Bastille Day terrorist was radicalised within months and sent £84,000 to his Tunisian family days before attack



  • These stories always come out with people claiming he is not a Muslim. We can agree he was a s*** though.   He drove a bus through a crowd, ISIS have claimed it. 
     
    Until it is proved otherwise, he worked for ISIS and therefore Islamic supremacists. Everything else is fluff, much like the stories that turned out to be myth about the Orlando bomber being gay.

    the key factor is pretty obviously that the guy was fucked in the head already.



  • the key factor is pretty obviously that the guy was fucked in the head already.

    Its a good place to start if you want to plant an idea like "hey how about you murder the fuck out of all these innocents in the name of God?"
     
    Fertile ground.



  • I'd hasten to add: mental illness is ONLY a defence when its a white supremacist with NRA leanings 😉



  • Must be a shitload more Muslims suffering from mental illness then Nick.



  • My original point, before the joke point, was that if he was mentally ill, depressed etc, it's much easier to plant a bit of religious fervour.
    But religious people are fucked in general. Someone tells you a book written centuries ago is how you live now, that is not something a stable, functioning, free-thinking human takes on.





  • Yes, but funnily enough combining Islam with a mentally ill person has much more serious effects that combining any other religion with a mentally person.
     
    Islam is a hateful ideology.





  • Was this guy mentally ill?http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/82178297/pakistani-social-media-star-strangled-in-apparent-honour-killingThat honour killing stuff is so last millennia. Much of the subcontinent, Muslim or not, seem to think it's ok



  • My original point, before the joke point, was that if he was mentally ill, depressed etc, it's much easier to plant a bit of religious fervour.
    But religious people are fucked in general. Someone tells you a book written centuries ago is how you live now, that is not something a stable, functioning, free-thinking human takes on.

    I agree, but, the "mentally ill" thing gets thrown about a lot with stuff like this, but how do you actually define it? We really don't understand it well enough to say with any degree of certainty that a mental illness is the cause of someone committing mass murder. E.G. "oh he was depressed, that's why he went and shot up a bunch of people". But then how do you explain the millions of people that have lived with depression that have never even entertained the thought of doing something like that?
     
    Mental illness may play a part, but it's not the root cause of these types of events. Like anything with humans, nothing is black and white.
     
    The Koran is pretty specific though. Kill all infidels, gays etc. Seems like an obvious place to look when figuring out what motivates people like this... 🙂



  • Mental illness may play a part, but it's not the root cause of these types of events. Like anything with humans, nothing is black and white.
     
    The Koran is pretty specific though. Kill all infidels, gays etc. Seems like an obvious place to look when figuring out what motivates people like this... 🙂

    Clearly had a lot to do with it.
     
    The speed at which he was radicalised indicates he's fairly receptive. His family is reporting he wasn't a religious guy, and the authorities are saying his phone has contacts on it for local Islamic people. But that he only started going to mosques the last few months according to all sources.
     
    I look at people who are in Scientology exhibiting the same lead-in behaviours: looking for meaning, told they could be more worthy, suddenly they're in a cult. Without all the bombing and death of course.



  • Not so many people have changed colours of their FB profile pics this time. I've always thought that was a futile waste of fucken time given, as antipodeans link shows, people die of terror attacks on a regular basis. Over the last year I've had Jerry Collins, Christopher Lee, Jonah and Prince as famous people who's lives meant something to me but the whole "change your pic for Paris/Nice/Orlando" or whatever just reeks of self importance in my opinion.



  • I agree, but, the "mentally ill" thing gets thrown about a lot with stuff like this, but how do you actually define it? We really don't understand it well enough to say with any degree of certainty that a mental illness is the cause of someone committing mass murder. E.G. "oh he was depressed, that's why he went and shot up a bunch of people". But then how do you explain the millions of people that have lived with depression that have never even entertained the thought of doing something like that?
     
    Mental illness may play a part, but it's not the root cause of these types of events. Like anything with humans, nothing is black and white.
     
    The Koran is pretty specific though. Kill all infidels, gays etc. Seems like an obvious place to look when figuring out what motivates people like this... 🙂

    exactly the same way you explain the millions of muslims who have never entertained the thought of doing something like that, i'd imagine.



  • exactly the same way you explain the millions of muslims who have never entertained the thought of doing something like that, i'd imagine.Not to mention the millions of Christians who ignore verses in the bible that encourage the same things (here we go again...)


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