7's discussion



  • If you were to pick a 7s team purely form our super rugby teams, this weekend to play our best 7s side (from those who have played in the series in the past 12 months, regardless of current injuries) 
     
    Ben Smith, BB, Ardie, Naholo, D-Mac, Luatua, Fekitoa, Vito, Squire, Jane, Julian
     
    Thats a bunch off the top of my head.
     
    Next question would be, would that team beat our 7s team?



  • No Read or Messam TR ? I'd have them over Luatua and Squire.
     
    Moala over Fekitoa too.....



  • social media tells me a team of ABs would fucking dominate
     
    Crockett, Faumauina, S Whitelock, A Smith, Barrett, Naholo, Nanai
     
    I'm going to fucking dominate the scrums and lineouts, and play territory. Their throw in? My ball. My throw in? My ball. Knock on from either side? my ball. Then wide pass from Aaron to the wheels and it's goodnight nurse. 
     
    Sevens is fucking easy.



  • No Read or Messam TR ? I'd have them over Luatua and Squire.
     
    Moala over Fekitoa too.....

    Messam played World 7s series didnt he, so he'd be in that team...
     
    I was only throwing names about.
     
    But as M4L says, according to Social Media, a Super laden team would clean up, despite the fact the canes would likely have had to sacrifice a Super title...



  • social media tells me

    If I was to select such a team, it would definitely have Naholo, Moala, TJP and Beaudy in it. Ardie can't be in it, not tall enough played in the last World Series.



  • Had an awesome yarn over a homemade pizzas and beer with a mate about this last night. My mate ( bigger league fan than Union ) said the NZRU ( pack of selfish fluffybunnys ) should have thrown everything into the Sevens team on the back of the 2015 15s triumph and essentially created a "Super" team comprising SBW, BB, Smith, Read etc. Bloody nice idea in theory but it didn't take into account....
     
    Messam tried and didn't make the cut.
     
    A Savea tried and dropped out cos he didn't want someone else taking the AB 7 jersey.
     
    Correct me if I'm wrong but I'd imagine Read wanted to focus on being the captain without Richie being there.
     
    BB probably wanted a stab at the starting 10 jersey.
     
    Smith is a guy who at the start of the year could have done all he wanted in the 7s team and easily slotted back into the ABs but even then with Daggs form it mightn't have been that easy, even less so if NMS remained uninjured.
     
    But even that "Super" team could have easily been bundled out just as easily as what happened with the team that went to Rio.
     
    EDIT: Saw Ardie on one of the floats on Lambton Quay, he was definitely about 12 feet tall, Brad Shields about 12 foot 3......



  • All that sevens team needed was Matt Todd (and maybe Kurt Baker).



  • All that sevens team needed was Matt Todd (and maybe Kurt Baker).

    As Akira's tag team partner in the fights.
     
    Weber could be a useful sevens player with his speed, much like Duggan was in his day.



  • Reiterating a point made in the Olympic thread,  it's hard to think of excuses like lack of talent or money invested when the likes of Fiji and Japan got further than us.
     
    I personally think Titch comes out of this with a tarnished reputation, this was building up to be his swansong and has been a long time coming. It will be interesting to see if there are identifiable mistakes that are made public following this embarrassment.



  • I didn't manage to catch any of the Olympic games because 7's isn't something Im that interested in. Glorified touch football really. Sounds like i didn't miss much though.
     
    On the overall issue of NZ falling behind a bit recently I think it is silly to suggest that the 7's side needs to be stacked with AB stars or Super rugby players to catch up to the top sides. 
    Which of these top sides is stacked with 15's internationals? or even Super rugby players? Those sides are full of 7's specialists who live and breathe 7's. The best way to counter that is to have our guys specialise just as much.
     
    Don't have much sympathy when Titch (or whoever) whinges about not having access to top ABs and Super rugby players. Maybe those guys just don't want to take a year out of their real rugby career to have a shot at 7's.
    Even then he did get a few guys who are Definite/fringe/future ABs In SBW, Messam, Ardie initially, Pulu, R Ioane and A Ioane.  Now SBW is broken which could have a huge impact on the ABs this year. Personally im glad more ABs didn't 
    go over to have a go. Especially a year out from the Lions tour. 
     
    In terms of future talent Identification for NZ 7s players, surely there are enough lower level players to compete. NZ has a pretty good pool of Naturally talented players. They aren't all going to make it in 15's. Someone mentioned the lack of top sprinters in NZ, possibly in the other thread, that didn't seem to help the USA in this tournament and Fiji are hardly just a bunch of fast blokes. IMO the ingredients are there, it's just about working out how to put them together. 
     
    So for me it's 15's then daylight, then more daylight then 7's for where NZ should focus it's resources. I would rather see the collapse of NZ 7s than have large numbers of top 15s players taking extended breaks from the game to play 7s.
    And FFS the person who decided they should be named the All Blacks 7s needs to be sacked. It damages the brand more than it raises its profile.
     
     
    p.s. I see a few have mentioned Akira Ioane trying to start a fight. I have noticed this about him a few times. Loves to niggle but in a stupid tough guy way. IMO he will need to control that if he wants to be an AB. Can't afford to give away a penalty for shoving someone in a tight test match.



  • It's been fun watching everyone the last couple of days professing they have fuck all interest in 7's and/or dislike it and/or have watched 2-3 games and now they're experts. We need faster players! But not just faster, ones that play 15's all the time!



  • If I was coach I would have followed Fiji's lead and just found a bunch of 6'4 to 6'7" guys who can run like the wind, side step and off load. Done. Simple.



  • I have some thoughts about the long term future and even viability of 7s. Unfortunately i don't have time to post it up just yet.
    Basically I think we as fans see 7s as a subset of Rugby. Whilst it is it's not. It's now a completely separate game. And it will get it's identity as an Olympic dport. But I'm not dure of the financial viabilitu by itself without it being part of rugby.
    We want the best and quickest athletes but will not be able to pay them more than they can earn in XVs (here and overseas).



  • Brad Webber for Kaka would be one definite change.



  • I agree with much of what has been said with regards to the direction 7s needs to take and the fact we should not have blurred loyalties between 7s and 15s just because it's Olympic year. But let's not get carried away, we lost all our games by 5 or less including games to the eventual finalists didn't we? We definitely have the resources and capability to put out a competitive winning side going forward



  • Maybe you guys just need an English coach? Two English coaches in the Olympic final...



  • Maybe you guys just need an English coach? Two English coaches in the Olympic final...Nice, but no 🙂



  • It's been fun watching everyone the last couple of days professing they have fuck all interest in 7's and/or dislike it and/or have watched 2-3 games and now they're experts. We need faster players! But not just faster, ones that play 15's all the time!

    I really think they would have won if they scored more points than each of their opponents.



  • BTW TR. The apostrophe police are on their way to arrest you.



  • Thank goodness Fiji spent all that money and had all those All Blacks available.