All Blacks 2025
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This is how far NZR have fallen; calling this tour a Grand Slam
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
This is how far NZR have fallen; calling this tour a Grand Slam
Is it not a Grand Slam? Ireland are happy to head away from home for $$$; that's on them isn't it?
I mean, it's not great - but I can't get super upset about it
Edit: Wikipedia has this
In another context, a Grand Slam tour refers to a touring side – South Africa, Australia or New Zealand – which plays fixtures against all four home nations (England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales) during their tour. If the tourists win all of those matches, they are said to have achieved a Grand Slam. This has been done nine times, first by South Africa in 1912–13, and most recently by New Zealand in 2010.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
This is how far NZR have fallen; calling this tour a Grand Slam
How? We can only play the teams that are there. All you’re missing is Italy and France.
France go to NZ for a tour mid year so that’s fine not playing them. In terms of Scotland, we haven’t played Scotland since 2022 and they are a team heading in the right direction.
I like this tour, unsure how this can make someone think it shouldn’t be referred to as a grand slam.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:
I like this tour, unsure how this can make someone think it shouldn’t be referred to as a grand slam.
Because we're playing Ireland in the USA, not at their house. That's the only difference. And then it's perspective as to whether you think that disqualifies or not
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:
I like this tour, unsure how this can make someone think it shouldn’t be referred to as a grand slam.
Because we're playing Ireland in the USA, not at their house. That's the only difference. And then it's perspective as to whether you think that disqualifies or not
My perspective is it does. For SH teams touring, part of the difficulty is playing those teams in front of their home grounds and I can't think of a single example in history where a SH side has claimed a Grand Slam by playing elsewhere.
Let alone on a field that isn't big enough to qualify.
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I think it's a bloody disgrace that we care so little about our fans and supporting countries that we can play more matches in USA than against all second tier nations combined.
So when everyone bitches about why some players not getting developed and enough opportunities this year, and why the All Black brand is going down the gurgler, just think of the Fijians, Samoans, Tongans, Japanese, Georgians and Italians who are being reminded of just how valued they are.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
This is how far NZR have fallen; calling this tour a Grand Slam
Is it not a Grand Slam? Ireland are happy to head away from home for $$$; that's on them isn't it?
I mean, it's not great - but I can't get super upset about it
Edit: Wikipedia has this
In another context, a Grand Slam tour refers to a touring side – South Africa, Australia or New Zealand – which plays fixtures against all four home nations (England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales) during their tour. If the tourists win all of those matches, they are said to have achieved a Grand Slam. This has been done nine times, first by South Africa in 1912–13, and most recently by New Zealand in 2010.
The All Blacks are playing Ireland, not some invitational Chicago XV. Definitely a Grand Slam
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I don't understand why there any confusion, the ABs are playing the 4 home nation on a tour, how is it not a Grand Slam?
@ARHS , you do know that US is a second tier country don't you? And out of interest I think ABs have played more countries like Tonga. Fiji, and Fiji than they have played in USA anyway. -
I am 100% with @antipodean on this. Playing an exhibition match against Ireland in Chicago on a field that doesn't even meet the minimum requirements is not the same as playing them in Dublin, and it's not even close. At best it massively cheapens the idea of the grand slam, but really it's better to just accept that it isn't one in the first place.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
I am 100% with @antipodean on this. Playing an exhibition match against Ireland in Chicago on a field that doesn't even meet the minimum requirements is not the same as playing them in Dublin, and it's not even close. At best it massively cheapens the idea of the grand slam, but really it's better to just accept that it isn't one in the first place.
so, do you think Ireland felt that it didn't really count when they beat us over there for the first time? Because I'll sure as shit hold that grudge against late stage Hansen
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@Bones it isnt like this match is taking one away from NZ....it's the Irish fans in Ireland who woudl have a right to feel aggrieved.
I dunno what the Kiwi presence is like in Chicago, but am sure, like the Irish, there will be plenty who are close enough to travel that they otherwise wont have done so?
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@taniwharugby yeah prexactly. I'd be tempted to pop across if it wasn't Ireland.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
I am 100% with @antipodean on this. Playing an exhibition match against Ireland in Chicago on a field that doesn't even meet the minimum requirements is not the same as playing them in Dublin, and it's not even close. At best it massively cheapens the idea of the grand slam, but really it's better to just accept that it isn't one in the first place.
so, do you think Ireland felt that it didn't really count when they beat us over there for the first time? Because I'll sure as shit hold that grudge against late stage Hansen
I think they would have far preferred that win to be in NZ or Ireland
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
I think official GS are in the home country, but we've called unofficial ones GS in the past - the 1995 GS.
I was going to ask @antipodean if the 1995 RWC counted as a GS.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones it isnt like this match is taking one away from NZ....it's the Irish fans in Ireland who woudl have a right to feel aggrieved.
I dunno what the Kiwi presence is like in Chicago, but am sure, like the Irish, there will be plenty who are close enough to travel that they otherwise wont have done so?
Except it is outside window, and no matches have been lost. This is an extra, so you'd hope Irish fans realise as much us - rugby is basically living beyond it's means and every penny counts. ABs have done pre tour match somewhere for years, since around 2008 with a few exceptions
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
I am 100% with @antipodean on this. Playing an exhibition match against Ireland in Chicago on a field that doesn't even meet the minimum requirements is not the same as playing them in Dublin, and it's not even close. At best it massively cheapens the idea of the grand slam, but really it's better to just accept that it isn't one in the first place.
I think you misunderstand about marketing games. Don't play the importance of games down. It's a Grand Slam attempt under the meaning of Grand Slam.
Although to me where they play it, doesn't worry me in least, I won't be at it whether it in Chicago or Ireland, it will still be on same place in my house-on the TV!! If we playing them in extra match, it should be in a place that will make us most coin!
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
I think official GS are in the home country, but we've called unofficial ones GS in the past - the 1995 GS.
I was going to ask @antipodean if the 1995 RWC counted as a GS.
Asked and answered in All Blacks 2025:
I believe outside of tournaments that they should be held in the country of one of the participants.
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I'll only consider if it is a Grand Slam if we win the damn thing.
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