All Blacks 2025
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Wait (a few) people are getting upset about the All Blacks playing a test in the United States of America.
Hang on until they find out where's the 2031 Rugby World Cup going be hosted.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Wait (a few) people are getting upset about the All Blacks playing a test in the United States of America.
Hang on until they find out where's the 2031 Rugby World Cup going be hosted.
Yep sparky, FFS we can play on any field anywhere in world. If we got opposition and that's where they want to play us good as. I not sure if some realise that when if play Fiji or Ireland in USA, there are actually 2 teams not playing at home or at opponents ground , just like WC (and the Nations Cup ,when it happens no doubt). I don't get the shit it hurts brand etc, and wouldn't mind betting a good few other nations would be more than happy to make extra coin doing same thing. We live in a country of a 5 mill, so if we can make a bit extra by playing an extra game (as we often do and Ireland are doing) go for it. I suspect a few don't understand what the word professional in professional sports mean (clue it's money)
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Landers92 said in All Blacks 2025:
I like this tour, unsure how this can make someone think it shouldn’t be referred to as a grand slam.
Because we're playing Ireland in the USA, not at their house. That's the only difference. And then it's perspective as to whether you think that disqualifies or not
We did a grand slam in 3 weeks against the home nations in 1995. On saffa soil.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Darren Putting aside the ground can't meet the requirements, I believe outside of tournaments that they should be held in the country of one of the participants.
I genuinely don't see why Americans should get to see this fixture over Kiwis and the Irish.
What annoys me is the "milking" of a brand thats in danger of becoming irrelevant.
It's all well and good selling out to Ineos, Altrad and playing games in the U.S if you are the "Harlem Globetrotters" of your sport. But we are now losing regularly to France, Ireland and South Africa and even Argentina and still strutting around like we are the cock of the walk.
We could do with winning the odd tournament to justify our lofty sense of self worth these days.
The modern day iteration of the Allblacks are all fur coat and no knickers.
Winning is all that matters and the rest is superfluous.
The first Chicago expedition was the start of the current malaise.
I think it is more commercial realities where the AB brand is the growth engine for NZR.
Yes, you are correct - the continued success/Brand of ABs/NZR requires success. Ideally at a world cup level.
I dont think it is becoming irrelevant, its amazing how quickly the aura is restored after a period of non domination of the sport - which we are in now. Besting the boks at home would help of course and is a must for a number of reasons
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i'll admit i always considered beating the them all at their home grounds as being part of a Grand Slam
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Wait (a few) people are getting upset about the All Blacks playing a test in the United States of America.
Hang on until they find out where's the 2031 Rugby World Cup going be hosted.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
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@antipodean No, I'm expressing an opinion.
It's a Rugby Forum. You (or I for that matter) are going to find different opinions here.
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For those talking about the 95 WC, this is on the ABs website for this upcoming "Grand Slam" tour:
"While not officially recognised as a Grand Slam tour, the 1995 All Blacks beat Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England at the Rugby World Cup in South Africa."
All Blacks 2025 Grand Slam northern tour schedule confirmed
An historic and rare Grand Slam tour will bookend the All Blacks 13-Test 2025 schedule with Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales part of an epic end of year tour.
The obvious reason for 95 not being officially recognised is that we were not playing them in their own back yards, so it's not the same. But for this tour, we have decided to allow one game to be played at a neutral venue and still claim it's a Grand Slam.
I'm not sure what's so difficult to understand here. Everybody understands the commercial realities for exhibition matches like this, so that part is not up for debate. But to call it a Grand Slam when one of the toughest matches is at a neutral venue on a field that doesn't even meet the minimum requirements is just silly.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
For those talking about the 95 WC, this is on the ABs website for this upcoming "Grand Slam" tour:
"While not officially recognised as a Grand Slam tour, the 1995 All Blacks beat Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England at the Rugby World Cup in South Africa."
All Blacks 2025 Grand Slam northern tour schedule confirmed
An historic and rare Grand Slam tour will bookend the All Blacks 13-Test 2025 schedule with Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales part of an epic end of year tour.
The obvious reason for 95 not being officially recognised is that we were not playing them in their own back yards, so it's not the same. But for this tour, we have decided to allow one game to be played at a neutral venue and still claim it's a Grand Slam.
I'm not sure what's so difficult to understand here. Everybody understands the commercial realities for exhibition matches like this, so that part is not up for debate. But to call it a Grand Slam when one of the toughest matches is at a neutral venue on a field that doesn't even meet the minimum requirements is just silly.
You're not letting this go are you ?
Surely the teams being played is the main factor and the venue is an afterthought, especially in this day and age ?
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@MN5 what do you mean "in this day and age?" Are you implying that in the modern game home advantage is not a factor anymore?
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 what do you mean "in this day and age?" Are you implying that in the modern game home advantage is not a factor anymore?
Absolutely not, just pointing out that games are played at neutral venues far more often.
You know I'm usually a big fan of what you post I just find it amusing you're making such a stand about this
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And of course I'm not letting this go, nobody else has, and it's Friday, my motivation to work is low, so starting meaningless fights on the Fern is the best way to pass the time
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
And of course I'm not letting this go, nobody else has, and it's Friday, my motivation to work is low, so starting meaningless fights on the Fern is the best way to pass the time
Fair enough.
Razor picking Ethan Blackadder and David Havilii and ignoring Akira Ioane and Hoskins Sotutu was a coaching masterstroke.
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@MN5 yeah I get that the neutral venue is more common now, the argument is that forging ahead with calling it a Grand Slam regardless of that undermines the concept of it. I'm probably just raging against the times, might need to head to the GOM thread. Rugby is a game steeped in tradition which is what has made it special for so many players and fans, and the Fish heads in charge now don't seem to give a crap about that.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 yeah I get that the neutral venue is more common now, the argument is that forging ahead with calling it a Grand Slam regardless of that undermines the concept of it. I'm probably just raging against the times, might need to head to the GOM thread. Rugby is a game steeped in tradition which is what has made it special for so many players and fans, and the Fish heads in charge now don't seem to give a crap about that.
Fair argument.
But money talks very loudly.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 what do you mean "in this day and age?" Are you implying that in the modern game home advantage is not a factor anymore?
You do know it's officially part of autumn series (well Ireland is marketing it as such) and from what I see as home union Irish rugby seems to be selling tickets to it already. Are grnd slams meant to be only held at Landsowne Rd, Murrayfield, , Twickenham and Cardiff Arms where they always were? Or do we move on?
We haven't bloody won it yet anyway!
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2025:
And of course I'm not letting this go, nobody else has, and it's Friday, my motivation to work is low, so starting meaningless fights on the Fern is the best way to pass the time
i just watched/listened too a 40min you tube vid of a guy building a desk....so yeah, i feel ya
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
i'll admit i always considered beating the them all at their home grounds as being part of a Grand Slam
Of course you never played tests in neutral venues before the RWC era. Times change
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