NBA Season - now 24/25
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@nonpartizan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
South Carolina's women's team squeaked by Duke, who couldn't finish them off in the final 5 minutes or so
South Carolina are the powerhouse in the women's game right?
Yup. Fifth consecutive trip to the final four
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@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@nonpartizan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
South Carolina's women's team squeaked by Duke, who couldn't finish them off in the final 5 minutes or so
South Carolina are the powerhouse in the women's game right?
Yup. Fifth consecutive trip to the final four
Do you follow WNBA by chance? I never got into it tbh but you can't not have heard of Caitlyn Clark here in the US and it got some mainstream coverage and made waves on social media.
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@nonpartizan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@nonpartizan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
South Carolina's women's team squeaked by Duke, who couldn't finish them off in the final 5 minutes or so
South Carolina are the powerhouse in the women's game right?
Yup. Fifth consecutive trip to the final four
Do you follow WNBA by chance? I never got into it tbh but you can't not have heard of Caitlyn Clark here in the US and it got some mainstream coverage and made waves on social media.
Not much. I do watch a few of Clark's games. I like to watch the WNCAA because it feels more relatable in terms of the skills. UConn and Duke are great to watch because they play team basketball. Whereas often in the NBA it's iso ball
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https://www.bbc.com/sport/basketball/articles/cz95w8e137do
First the Malice in the Palace, now this. The Pistons are involved again
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The amazing games continued in the WNCAA. UCLA avenge a Sweet 16 loss last year against LSU. LSU had a couple of pure scorers who I thought would win out with a few minutes to spare. But UCLA got contributions from the whole team including two guards that scored 10 3s between them when their starting center had to sit on the bench for most of the first half with foul trouble
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@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
South Carolina's women's team squeaked by Duke, who couldn't finish them off in the final 5 minutes or so
Duke played a lot better than I expected. Did an excellent job in keeping it a low scoring game. SC average 80 ppg and Duke held them to 54. Duke were killing them on the boards but just couldn’t hit shots despite getting so many second chance opportunities. They’ll be kicking themselves because they really should’ve won that.
UConn and Paige B take advantage of a Juju less USC. Paige dominated the game from inside and out.
Again like the Men’s, there are some heavyweight clashes to look forward to.
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A UConn South Carolina rematch would be good. I'd like to see UConn win, as Gino is a great coach, and Paige has endured an injury plagued career despite her individual numbers. They have a big chance this year if Bueckers, Strong, and the streaky Fudd can fire at the same time, and their role and bench players have contributed a lot
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@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@nonpartizan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@nonpartizan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
South Carolina's women's team squeaked by Duke, who couldn't finish them off in the final 5 minutes or so
South Carolina are the powerhouse in the women's game right?
Yup. Fifth consecutive trip to the final four
Do you follow WNBA by chance? I never got into it tbh but you can't not have heard of Caitlyn Clark here in the US and it got some mainstream coverage and made waves on social media.
Not much. I do watch a few of Clark's games. I like to watch the WNCAA because it feels more relatable in terms of the skills. UConn and Duke are great to watch because they play team basketball. Whereas often in the NBA it's iso ball
Imo the over reliance on the 3 (and the fact that so many players can shoot it well) is something that needs to be looked at. What I find a tad irritating is when players are able to penetrate into the paint but they are mostly looking to then find shooters on the perimeter.
I think it would be a reasonable proposition to only have 3s count in the last three minutes of each quarter - so 12 out of the 48 minutes. I think it would restore some balance to the way the game is played.
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Nuggets lose in overtime to the T-Wolves despite a 61-point triple double from Jokic.
Steph puts up 52 to get the Warriors past the GrizzliesThe middle of the West is as close as can get, and even the Lakers in 4th can't afford to slip up
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@mariner4life said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
Nuggets lose in overtime to the T-Wolves despite a 61-point triple double from Jokic.
Steph puts up 52 to get the Warriors past the GrizzliesThe middle of the West is as close as can get, and even the Lakers in 4th can't afford to slip up
Lakers had a good win yesterday against the Rockets. Everyone is buying into hustle defence, even Luka!
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@mariner4life said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
Nuggets lose in overtime to the T-Wolves despite a 61-point triple double from Jokic.
Steph puts up 52 to get the Warriors past the GrizzliesThe middle of the West is as close as can get, and even the Lakers in 4th can't afford to slip up
Not Westbrook’s finest couple of minutes to close that one. Missed layup and then a very poor foul on a jump shooter to help the Wolves seal the win at the foul line.
Some vintage Steph today despite the Grizzlies throwing multiple different defenders at him.
Giddey had the ball on a string today. His team mates certainly enjoying playing with him and the trust/connection is there.
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@nonpartizan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@nonpartizan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@nonpartizan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
South Carolina's women's team squeaked by Duke, who couldn't finish them off in the final 5 minutes or so
South Carolina are the powerhouse in the women's game right?
Yup. Fifth consecutive trip to the final four
Do you follow WNBA by chance? I never got into it tbh but you can't not have heard of Caitlyn Clark here in the US and it got some mainstream coverage and made waves on social media.
Not much. I do watch a few of Clark's games. I like to watch the WNCAA because it feels more relatable in terms of the skills. UConn and Duke are great to watch because they play team basketball. Whereas often in the NBA it's iso ball
Imo the over reliance on the 3 (and the fact that so many players can shoot it well) is something that needs to be looked at. What I find a tad irritating is when players are able to penetrate into the paint but they are mostly looking to then find shooters on the perimeter.
I think it would be a reasonable proposition to only have 3s count in the last three minutes of each quarter - so 12 out of the 48 minutes. I think it would restore some balance to the way the game is played.
I reckon each team gets 30 x 3pt attempts. Use them when you want. Go hard early or save a few for the 4th if you want. I want to see Steph's face when Draymond takes the 29th 3 in the 3rd quarter....
After you've taken 30 of em, they just count for 2 points from then on
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@voodoo said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@nonpartizan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@nonpartizan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@nonpartizan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
South Carolina's women's team squeaked by Duke, who couldn't finish them off in the final 5 minutes or so
South Carolina are the powerhouse in the women's game right?
Yup. Fifth consecutive trip to the final four
Do you follow WNBA by chance? I never got into it tbh but you can't not have heard of Caitlyn Clark here in the US and it got some mainstream coverage and made waves on social media.
Not much. I do watch a few of Clark's games. I like to watch the WNCAA because it feels more relatable in terms of the skills. UConn and Duke are great to watch because they play team basketball. Whereas often in the NBA it's iso ball
Imo the over reliance on the 3 (and the fact that so many players can shoot it well) is something that needs to be looked at. What I find a tad irritating is when players are able to penetrate into the paint but they are mostly looking to then find shooters on the perimeter.
I think it would be a reasonable proposition to only have 3s count in the last three minutes of each quarter - so 12 out of the 48 minutes. I think it would restore some balance to the way the game is played.
I reckon each team gets 30 x 3pt attempts. Use them when you want. Go hard early or save a few for the 4th if you want. I want to see Steph's face when Draymond takes the 29th 3 in the 3rd quarter....
After you've taken 30 of em, they just count for 2 points from then on
I'm not huge on rule changes, but I'll play.
I reckon that 2 players on the court are designated to get the 3 points for the long ball. So, there is still a joy to watch someone like Steph, but those who are designated will pick up more coverage outside the line. -
These rules sound like the kind of thing you come up with for a gimmick preseason comp.
The game will evolve. Watch every team stack with perimeter defenders and the team with bigs dominate off open looks.
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100% agree @mariner4life Just cut the season shorter: home and away vs the 14 teams in your conference, + 1 game per year with the 15 in the other conference, home/away alternating = 43 game season. Then people would care, like the NFL.
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@mariner4life said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
These rules sound like the kind of thing you come up with for a gimmick preseason comp.
The game will evolve. Watch every team stack with perimeter defenders and the team with bigs dominate off open looks.
What’s been interesting this season has been Jokic’s 3pt attempts almost double from last season to just under 5 attempts per game. And he’s shooting his best % (41%).
When they start Murray, Braun, Porter Jnr, Gordon and Jokic, ironically their shooting guard (Braun) is taking the least number of 3pt attempts and is their worst 3 point shooter % wise. Strange times….
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@mariner4life said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
These rules sound like the kind of thing you come up with for a gimmick preseason comp.
The game will evolve. Watch every team stack with perimeter defenders and the team with bigs dominate off open looks.
Id like to think the game will evolve but it's hard for me to see the trend reversing. The average NBA team is shooting 37 per game which is more than double what they were shooting in 2005. The most prolific 3 points shooting team (Celtics) is shooting 11 more than that. So, a game between the two most prolific 3 pt shooting teams (Celtics & Warriors who combine for 90 attempts per game) would see a 3 attempted, on average every 32 seconds, if my maths is correct.
The shot itself was a gimmick that was introduced as recently as the late 70s (mid 80s for college) and has really served its purpose of keeping defences honest and giving another exciting and alternative way of scoring. However, I think it is now to the point that it is detracting from other facets of the game.
For me I think it has its place in the game but I like voodoos idea of limiting teams to something like 30 attempts a game so it is used but in a strategic fashion versus it being the primary means of scoring. At present good offense consists of shooting a high volume of 3s that you make at a lower rate than the field goals you attempt inside the arc but that lower efficiency is offset by the additional point you get. Its the most effective way of scoring but doesn't translate to good basketball IMHO.
Again, it's just my opinion but I fear that if something is not done to suppress the obsession with the 3 it's just going to get more and more out of control.
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An artificial limit on the number of 3s is stupid.
I'm not a big time basketball fan, so I don't have a strong opinion on whether it's good or bad but I find these questions reolly interesting. If it really is a problem, the obvious solution to me is pushing the line back so they're harder to make. If shooting lots of 3s is a winning strategy, that suggests that a 3 point shot has a higher expected points than a 2p shot. Making it harder to sink a 3 reduces the expected points and will make other scoring methods more attractive.
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@Cyclops said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
An artificial limit on the number of 3s is stupid.
I'm not a big time basketball fan, so I don't have a strong opinion on whether it's good or bad but I find these questions reolly interesting. If it really is a problem, the obvious solution to me is pushing the line back so they're harder to make. If shooting lots of 3s is a winning strategy, that suggests that a 3 point shot has a higher expected points than a 2p shot. Making it harder to sink a 3 reduces the expected points and will make other scoring methods more attractive.
Yes, moving the line back also makes tons of sense. Another thing I have thought about too is making the hoop ever so slightly smaller, not massively but enough to make a 3 point shot harder to successfully execute.
You are right in saying that the essential mathematical problem is that despite the fact the 3 goes in less than 40% (a worse percentage than a shot inside the arc) that shot is worth 50% more than a normal field goal. So, when you play the percentages the smart choice is just to shoot away knowing that the loss in efficiency is offset by the greater reward in point value.
