NBA Season - now 24/25
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@nonpartizan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@nonpartizan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@nonpartizan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
South Carolina's women's team squeaked by Duke, who couldn't finish them off in the final 5 minutes or so
South Carolina are the powerhouse in the women's game right?
Yup. Fifth consecutive trip to the final four
Do you follow WNBA by chance? I never got into it tbh but you can't not have heard of Caitlyn Clark here in the US and it got some mainstream coverage and made waves on social media.
Not much. I do watch a few of Clark's games. I like to watch the WNCAA because it feels more relatable in terms of the skills. UConn and Duke are great to watch because they play team basketball. Whereas often in the NBA it's iso ball
Imo the over reliance on the 3 (and the fact that so many players can shoot it well) is something that needs to be looked at. What I find a tad irritating is when players are able to penetrate into the paint but they are mostly looking to then find shooters on the perimeter.
I think it would be a reasonable proposition to only have 3s count in the last three minutes of each quarter - so 12 out of the 48 minutes. I think it would restore some balance to the way the game is played.
I reckon each team gets 30 x 3pt attempts. Use them when you want. Go hard early or save a few for the 4th if you want. I want to see Steph's face when Draymond takes the 29th 3 in the 3rd quarter....
After you've taken 30 of em, they just count for 2 points from then on
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@voodoo said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@nonpartizan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@nonpartizan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@nonpartizan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
South Carolina's women's team squeaked by Duke, who couldn't finish them off in the final 5 minutes or so
South Carolina are the powerhouse in the women's game right?
Yup. Fifth consecutive trip to the final four
Do you follow WNBA by chance? I never got into it tbh but you can't not have heard of Caitlyn Clark here in the US and it got some mainstream coverage and made waves on social media.
Not much. I do watch a few of Clark's games. I like to watch the WNCAA because it feels more relatable in terms of the skills. UConn and Duke are great to watch because they play team basketball. Whereas often in the NBA it's iso ball
Imo the over reliance on the 3 (and the fact that so many players can shoot it well) is something that needs to be looked at. What I find a tad irritating is when players are able to penetrate into the paint but they are mostly looking to then find shooters on the perimeter.
I think it would be a reasonable proposition to only have 3s count in the last three minutes of each quarter - so 12 out of the 48 minutes. I think it would restore some balance to the way the game is played.
I reckon each team gets 30 x 3pt attempts. Use them when you want. Go hard early or save a few for the 4th if you want. I want to see Steph's face when Draymond takes the 29th 3 in the 3rd quarter....
After you've taken 30 of em, they just count for 2 points from then on
I'm not huge on rule changes, but I'll play.
I reckon that 2 players on the court are designated to get the 3 points for the long ball. So, there is still a joy to watch someone like Steph, but those who are designated will pick up more coverage outside the line. -
These rules sound like the kind of thing you come up with for a gimmick preseason comp.
The game will evolve. Watch every team stack with perimeter defenders and the team with bigs dominate off open looks.
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100% agree @mariner4life Just cut the season shorter: home and away vs the 14 teams in your conference, + 1 game per year with the 15 in the other conference, home/away alternating = 43 game season. Then people would care, like the NFL.
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@mariner4life said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
These rules sound like the kind of thing you come up with for a gimmick preseason comp.
The game will evolve. Watch every team stack with perimeter defenders and the team with bigs dominate off open looks.
What’s been interesting this season has been Jokic’s 3pt attempts almost double from last season to just under 5 attempts per game. And he’s shooting his best % (41%).
When they start Murray, Braun, Porter Jnr, Gordon and Jokic, ironically their shooting guard (Braun) is taking the least number of 3pt attempts and is their worst 3 point shooter % wise. Strange times….
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@mariner4life said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
These rules sound like the kind of thing you come up with for a gimmick preseason comp.
The game will evolve. Watch every team stack with perimeter defenders and the team with bigs dominate off open looks.
Id like to think the game will evolve but it's hard for me to see the trend reversing. The average NBA team is shooting 37 per game which is more than double what they were shooting in 2005. The most prolific 3 points shooting team (Celtics) is shooting 11 more than that. So, a game between the two most prolific 3 pt shooting teams (Celtics & Warriors who combine for 90 attempts per game) would see a 3 attempted, on average every 32 seconds, if my maths is correct.
The shot itself was a gimmick that was introduced as recently as the late 70s (mid 80s for college) and has really served its purpose of keeping defences honest and giving another exciting and alternative way of scoring. However, I think it is now to the point that it is detracting from other facets of the game.
For me I think it has its place in the game but I like voodoos idea of limiting teams to something like 30 attempts a game so it is used but in a strategic fashion versus it being the primary means of scoring. At present good offense consists of shooting a high volume of 3s that you make at a lower rate than the field goals you attempt inside the arc but that lower efficiency is offset by the additional point you get. Its the most effective way of scoring but doesn't translate to good basketball IMHO.
Again, it's just my opinion but I fear that if something is not done to suppress the obsession with the 3 it's just going to get more and more out of control.
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An artificial limit on the number of 3s is stupid.
I'm not a big time basketball fan, so I don't have a strong opinion on whether it's good or bad but I find these questions reolly interesting. If it really is a problem, the obvious solution to me is pushing the line back so they're harder to make. If shooting lots of 3s is a winning strategy, that suggests that a 3 point shot has a higher expected points than a 2p shot. Making it harder to sink a 3 reduces the expected points and will make other scoring methods more attractive.
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@Cyclops said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
An artificial limit on the number of 3s is stupid.
I'm not a big time basketball fan, so I don't have a strong opinion on whether it's good or bad but I find these questions reolly interesting. If it really is a problem, the obvious solution to me is pushing the line back so they're harder to make. If shooting lots of 3s is a winning strategy, that suggests that a 3 point shot has a higher expected points than a 2p shot. Making it harder to sink a 3 reduces the expected points and will make other scoring methods more attractive.
Yes, moving the line back also makes tons of sense. Another thing I have thought about too is making the hoop ever so slightly smaller, not massively but enough to make a 3 point shot harder to successfully execute.
You are right in saying that the essential mathematical problem is that despite the fact the 3 goes in less than 40% (a worse percentage than a shot inside the arc) that shot is worth 50% more than a normal field goal. So, when you play the percentages the smart choice is just to shoot away knowing that the loss in efficiency is offset by the greater reward in point value.
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I'm not seriously advocating limiting 3's folk. I probably wouldn't complain, but I wouldn't be promoting it. I do however think that it is an issue to be addressed in some way - there is no doubt in my mind that if you designed basketball from scratch today, you wouldn't make it so the optimal strategy is to shoot 50 x 3's per game.
I disagree with @mariner4life that the game will evolve to self-correct. The whole reason we are here now is that people started doing some analytics. The math ain't changing. And with players now empowered to take 3's in a way they never were before, they are only getting better and better at them. Practice, weights, license - all points to more and more 3's, not less. Players routinely take them from 1-2 feet beyond the arc now. This isn't going away.
Moving the line back is one option, but you would also need to eliminate the corner 3, as it's a touch tricky to widen every court.
I don't have a solution, I just know that I miss some of the old game - definitely not all of it, the wrestling and the 82-79 games can probably stay in the past, I think people forget how ugly some of the games used to be. But equally I don't want to watch 100 x 3's in a 142-137 game either. Has to be a middle ground somewhere.
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I agree. I hardly watch games nowadays, as they don't really worry about defense until the playoffs.
Pushing the line back makes sense, but say bye to the corner 3, which is a shame. However, it would be the simplest way to return the game to it's core. If they calculate the point on the floor where even a machine like Steph only makes 3/10 then we'd probably be able to get the balance right.
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Pushing the line back may have an impact, but so many dudes not named Steph, Dame or Trae are shooting from 2-5 feet behind it already. The analytics of possessions and 3s will still dominate.
But if you really wanted to throw it all on its head, make shots inside the paint worth 3 and everything else 2.
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LeBron and Steph still doing what they do is phenomenal and the league will be significantly poorer when they are no longer in it.
People should relish getting to watch them while the can, it's rare two such dominant players share this many years
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First game has been good, Florida up by a point with 3 mins to go.
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Duke up by 6 but I think they will lose this. They cannot score and the momentum seems to be in Houstons favour.
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The middle of the west just keeps winning. 2 games separate 3rd and 8th, and no one is making ground
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Duke-Houston game was everything there is to like about college basketball, every play in that last 3 mins or so was massively impactful to the outcome.
Duke got out rebounded by 11 and the difference was those were offensive boards which kept Houston in the game.
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@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@Bovidae said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
It's always good to see Duke lose. Coach K didn't seem happy.
Hopefully Houston finally gets to cut down the net.
Was Houston's last time in the final the loss to NC State?
They lost the following year (1984) to Georgetown as well.
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@Bovidae said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@canefan said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
@Bovidae said in NBA Season - now 24/25:
It's always good to see Duke lose. Coach K didn't seem happy.
Hopefully Houston finally gets to cut down the net.
Was Houston's last time in the final the loss to NC State?
They lost the following year (1984) to Georgetown as well.
No way they should have lost, with the dream and Clyde
