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    kev
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    @Toddy said in NZR review:

    They have to make payments (4%??) to Silver Lake and currently those payments are interest payments due to the debt type of funding that was setup with Silver Lake. It would change (I think) if Silver Lake exercises its option to take an equity position.

    Ok makes sense. But the Silver Lake deal is a dog. Didn’t realise they had that option. How long for? So NZRFU have to repay debt if option not exercised. What exactly have they done for this option so far? Amateur hour..

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    I think if they don't exercise the deal then NZR would just keep paying the interest expense as it's a perpetual debt instrument. There's no paying it back. If the option is exercised then Silver Lake would take the slice of revenue and the $10.5m interest would stop and the $21m ish payments based on commercial revenue will start.

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    I'm suitably impressed by the financial acumen of NZR to develop that sort of deal.

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    So every year we pay silverlake ether $10.5M (if we make a loss) or $21M+ if we make a profit??

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    I don't think so. It's the interest payments if they decide not to convert. It's the portion of commercial revenue, not profit, if they do decide to convert. One or the other.

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    @kev said in NZR review:

    @Toddy said in NZR review:

    They have to make payments (4%??) to Silver Lake and currently those payments are interest payments due to the debt type of funding that was setup with Silver Lake. It would change (I think) if Silver Lake exercises its option to take an equity position.

    Ok makes sense. But the Silver Lake deal is a dog. Didn’t realise they had that option. How long for? So NZRFU have to repay debt if option not exercised. What exactly have they done for this option so far? Amateur hour..

    Probably updated the format of the player stats site.

    I wondered if anyone (everyone) else thought it was as shit as I do - seems @Nepia and I are in complete agreement for once!

    Enshitification at work!

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    @Chris-B said in NZR review:

    I wondered if anyone (everyone) else thought it was as shit as I do - seems @Nepia and I are in complete agreement for once!

    It looks shiny and new but is complete crap. With the old stats site you could easily find info. Now it just appears to be player bios. I was curious to know who is now the oldest living AB. That was an easy click before. Now, who the fuck knows!

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    Brian Steele I believe.

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    @Toddy said in NZR review:

    I don't think so. It's the interest payments if they decide not to convert. It's the portion of commercial revenue, not profit, if they do decide to convert. One or the other.

    The key is they have the option so guaranteed minimum revenue and upside if things improve.

    What’s missing Is any news on what has happened post deal. Developing new revenue stream for any business is very difficult. Sports is a saturated market I would have thought.

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    @kev said in NZR review:

    What’s missing Is any news on what has happened post deal.

    That's it isn't it, from the outside it appears theynhave done nothing for us, yet this deal was meant to open new doors and increase revenue

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    @taniwharugby said in NZR review:

    @kev said in NZR review:

    What’s missing Is any news on what has happened post deal.

    That's it isn't it, from the outside it appears theynhave done nothing for us, yet this deal was meant to open new doors and increase revenue

    NZR+

    Which fuck all signed up to and now they put it all on YT etc anyway... Maybe young hip people want to watch that, but I want games and good analysis. Sky does one, only @Mauss and Squidge (cos I fin him funny YMMV) do the other

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    Dylan Cleaver

    A lament for Pakistan cricket

    A lament for Pakistan cricket

    PLUS: Some supplementary thoughts on NZR's financials, netball's dilemma and sporting weekend potpourri

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    @Tim said in NZR review:

    Dylan Cleaver

    A lament for Pakistan cricket

    A lament for Pakistan cricket

    PLUS: Some supplementary thoughts on NZR's financials, netball's dilemma and sporting weekend potpourri

    Why NZR+? ….buyers remorse with Silverlake deal? … bad decisions everywhere….

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    @kev It seems that the only things they have achieved so far are duplicating the organisational and executive structures (between NZR and NZ Rugby Commercial), and hence the expenses.

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    NZR Board confirm new structure for New Zealand Rugby

    NZR Board confirm new structure for New Zealand Rugby
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    Hopefully good news.

    Two seats for Silver lake...

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    @gt12 said in NZR review:

    Hopefully good news.

    Two seats for Silver lake...

    Ejector seats?

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    @canefan said in NZR review:

    @gt12 said in NZR review:

    Hopefully good news.

    Two seats for Silver lake...

    Ejector seats?

    Does anyone know what this Commercial arm has done? Or is doing? Will Silver Lake be a positive? Or a dead weight?

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    @kev said in NZR review:

    @canefan said in NZR review:

    @gt12 said in NZR review:

    Hopefully good news.

    Two seats for Silver lake...

    Ejector seats?

    Does anyone know what this Commercial arm has done? Or is doing? Will Silver Lake be a positive? Or a dead weight?

    It feels like they are leeches

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    I know we have some members of the media here, and not to be too much of a fluffybunny about it, but those are questions that just haven't been really raised or explored enough by the NZ rugby media.

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