All Blacks 2025
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank
Kirifi, Lakai, Iose, Flanders on the bench, Ardie makes the squad with Howden ...How dare you miss out Shields.
Is he eligible? Bloody Pom
He’s actually a very valued member of the Eastbourne community now.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2025:
@Frank
Kirifi, Lakai, Iose, Flanders on the bench, Ardie makes the squad with Howden ...How dare you miss out Shields.
Is he eligible? Bloody Pom
He’s actually a very valued member of the Eastbourne community now.
I’ll let @Bones be the judge of that
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@Canes4life he's on my list for beersies next time I'm back.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life he's on my list for beersies next time I'm back.
You better carry the drinks
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
I reckon if Frizz is back he'll be close.
What's that off the back of? Is he absolutely killing it in....fuck does anyone even know where he is?
He’s in the same team as Mo’unga in Japan. Both making shit look piss easy over there from what I’ve seen.
He recently scored five tries across two games.
We let Beaudy straight back in last year after playing for an also-ran Japan team.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
I reckon if Frizz is back he'll be close.
What's that off the back of? Is he absolutely killing it in....fuck does anyone even know where he is?
He’s in the same team as Mo’unga in Japan. Both making shit look piss easy over there from what I’ve seen.
He recently scored five tries across two games.
We let Beaudy straight back in last year after playing for an also-ran Japan team.
And he wasn't great. When you say "we" I guess you mean "Razor"
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
I reckon if Frizz is back he'll be close.
What's that off the back of? Is he absolutely killing it in....fuck does anyone even know where he is?
He’s in the same team as Mo’unga in Japan. Both making shit look piss easy over there from what I’ve seen.
He recently scored five tries across two games.
We let Beaudy straight back in last year after playing for an also-ran Japan team.
Wasn't BB on a sabbatical and away less than a year?
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@Grooter He's not far away - made the AB's XV last year.
But, it's a tough row to hoe in the loose forwards.
I've picked six - Savea, Sititi, Blackadder, Frizell, Finau, Papalií
But, the you've got, Jacobson, Lakai, Sotutu, Lio-Willie, Haig, Parker, Kirifi, Grace and whomever else you want to throw in that's been mentioned in the thread that I've forgotten. Frizz might not be back.
Since when has he achieved such levels of Richie Mounganess ?
One excellent test against the Boks and some inconsistency apart from that doesn't really justify it.
You're welcome to pick your own team.
I reckon if Frizz is back he'll be close.
@Canes4life said - Most of the ABs atm aren’t automatic selections
I reckon at least 75% are - and Razor said this week that they're about 90% there (or something similar).
So let's mark me when they pick their team.
I think if the ABs were selected tomorrow this would be pretty close to what they select IMO. Note, I’ve picked 34 players.
Props:
- Williams
- Lomax
- Tosi
- Newell
- De Groot
- Bower
Hookers:
- Taylor
- Taukei’aho
- Aumua
Locks:
- Darry/Holland
- Barrett
- Tuipolotu
- Va’ai
Loose forwards:
- Sititi
- Savea
- Finau
- Jacobsen
- Lakai
- Blackadder/Papali’i/Kirifi - take your pick.
Halfbacks:
- Roigard
- Ratima
- Hotham/Preston
First fives:
- Barrett
- McKenzie
Centres:
- Barrett - can cover fullback
- Proctor
- Havili
- Ioane - can cover wing
- Leinert-Brown / Tupaea
Outside backs:
- Clarke
- Jordan
- Love
- Narawa
- Reece
You are very conservative. I think there will be one or two bolters.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
i find NZ rugby to be hyper insular and conservative.
We're overly focused on reducing risk over exploiting opportunity (see nearly every player chat being focused on errors rather than anything else), and we select everywhere as cover for disaster rather than a chance to add a positive.
See Cam Roigard's omission in RWC final.
He had the hot hand ala Milner Skudder in 2015, and had skinned 6 or 7 Springboks from a standing start from 55m out only a month earlier.
His selection would have left their players second guessing themselves and watching their inside shoulders on D.
A massive mistake from Foster.
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@Canes4life I think that's very close, but I think Holland and Tupaea will be in the squad.
I also think Leroy Carter might make it.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
See Cam Roigard's omission in RWC final.
He had the hot hand ala Milner Skudder in 2015, and had skinned 6 or 7 Springboks from a standing start from 55m out only a month earlier.
He came on fresh at 73 minutes when the Boks were something like 35 points up and had pretty much switched off. Extrapolating that 7 minutes into how he would have won the RWC final is a bit fanciful.
I rate the guy, he had a good RWC and he's probbly my no.1, but he hasn't exactly set the world on fire a la Twickenham '23 since, nor nailed down the 9 spot quite yet. And let's hope he isn't another NMS career-length wise...
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
I am genuinely curious, what do these "bold" selections actually look like? Wallace Sititi and Pasilio Tosi were both very bold picks.
See, for me this is concerning. We've got so used to mediocrity that selecting absolute stand out form players and only getting them on the field if injury strikes, is considered very bold.
Sititi showed good form, but hardly put in a body of work that said he was an All Black for the here and now. As for Tosi - was he on anyone's radar?
Sititi's performance in the semi final vs the Canes was about as obvious of a 'pick me I'm All Black material' as it gets - he was the best player on the field by a country mile.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
See Cam Roigard's omission in RWC final.
He had the hot hand ala Milner Skudder in 2015, and had skinned 6 or 7 Springboks from a standing start from 55m out only a month earlier.
He came on fresh at 73 minutes when the Boks were something like 35 points up and had pretty much switched off. Extrapolating that 7 minutes into how he would have won the RWC final is a bit fanciful.
I rate the guy, he had a good RWC and he's probbly my no.1, but he hasn't exactly set the world on fire a la Twickenham '23 since nor nailed down the 9 spot quite yet. And let's hope he isn't another NMS career-length wise...
Roigard would have definitely been a better bet than Christie but as you say the Boks were mentally at the pub by that stage of the match
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@Victor-Meldrew
The biggest mistake by far over the last 5 years has been the ridiculous conservatism of the AB coaches. They ignored form and favoured the incumbents -
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew
The biggest mistake by far over the last 5 years has been the ridiculous conservatism of the AB coaches. They ignored form and favoured the incumbentsnonsense. Havilli and Blackadder just need more time in the jersey to feel at home and really shine.
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I think we have the players to take us through to the next WC in Australia
My biggest concern is captaincy
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@cgrant said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@Grooter He's not far away - made the AB's XV last year.
But, it's a tough row to hoe in the loose forwards.
I've picked six - Savea, Sititi, Blackadder, Frizell, Finau, Papalií
But, the you've got, Jacobson, Lakai, Sotutu, Lio-Willie, Haig, Parker, Kirifi, Grace and whomever else you want to throw in that's been mentioned in the thread that I've forgotten. Frizz might not be back.
Since when has he achieved such levels of Richie Mounganess ?
One excellent test against the Boks and some inconsistency apart from that doesn't really justify it.
You're welcome to pick your own team.
I reckon if Frizz is back he'll be close.
@Canes4life said - Most of the ABs atm aren’t automatic selections
I reckon at least 75% are - and Razor said this week that they're about 90% there (or something similar).
So let's mark me when they pick their team.
I think if the ABs were selected tomorrow this would be pretty close to what they select IMO. Note, I’ve picked 34 players.
Props:
- Williams
- Lomax
- Tosi
- Newell
- De Groot
- Bower
Hookers:
- Taylor
- Taukei’aho
- Aumua
Locks:
- Darry/Holland
- Barrett
- Tuipolotu
- Va’ai
Loose forwards:
- Sititi
- Savea
- Finau
- Jacobsen
- Lakai
- Blackadder/Papali’i/Kirifi - take your pick.
Halfbacks:
- Roigard
- Ratima
- Hotham/Preston
First fives:
- Barrett
- McKenzie
Centres:
- Barrett - can cover fullback
- Proctor
- Havili
- Ioane - can cover wing
- Leinert-Brown / Tupaea
Outside backs:
- Clarke
- Jordan
- Love
- Narawa
- Reece
You are very conservative. I think there will be one or two bolters.
I'm sure there will be but I don't think the coaches will sway too far from what they selected last year. They will want to build on last year with a lot of players they selected in 2024.
