All Blacks v France I
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@Chris said in All Blacks v France I:
Finau for a big unit really added no impact in this game,He was passive in the tackle he got knocked back a few times.And went no where forward.
Even though Vai'i maybe found out as a bit slow at 6 in the harder games, he was 100% better than Finau.You'd be forgiven for thinking Frizzel was back already.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
BBs worst kick was the fucking attempted grubber through 3 compressed defenders while we were pouring forward. Idiotic
Yeah, DMac did exactly the same thing in the lead up to the Proctor no-try, but luckily it bounced back into his arms off the defenders legs. Across the park we take low percentage options that cost us.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v France I:
Finau for a big unit really added no impact in this game,He was passive in the tackle he got knocked back a few times.And went no where forward.
Even though Vai'i maybe found out as a bit slow at 6 in the harder games, he was 100% better than Finau.You'd be forgiven for thinking Frizzel was back already.
Yep it is like watching all that shit again.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v France I:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France I:
I guess the issue with BB and his kicking, is he either is 'allowed' to kick or told he shouldn't...I doubt any coach will do that.
I think he has had free reign for so long, he sees space then poorly executes...
It was notable when we put our kicking boots away, we were all over them and looking like breaking loose, but didn't, then re went back to the kicking duel, which kept putting ourselves under pressure.
Kicking asid, BB went pretty well, so how do you get your hugely experienced 10 to kick less?
His passing was really pretty good, best we've seen from him this year, and he kicked his goals well. But fuck me, he kicks so much attacking ball away it does my head in. Each one of those should be treated as a turnover, because that's what they are - if someone knocked the ball on multiple times every game while hot on attack, they would be crucified.
I'm sure there'll be some game where it all comes off and we look amazing and put 50 on some team, but most of the time it means not converting opportunities or applying pressure. that's how you get France C staying close enough to potentially snatch victory - and there are several teams out there better than France C.And he can't exit with distance. And missed touch from a penalty. And a defensive bomb. And we still don't chase and contest - TBH that's the bit that really confuses me - because if it's a plan, sack the chasers. if it's not a plan, sack the kicker.
It was noticeable that France had two or three effective chasers, whereas we often had no one getting near the ball.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France I:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France I:
@canefan when kicks were the right option, he kicked the wrong type or just a shit kick that hes been doing for some time now.
Add in poor chasing, extremely poor aerial skills, we should have put the kicks away in the 2nd half except on exits.
But agreed, he was good elsewhere, we created alot, put ourselves in position only to be undone by our very poor kicking game
What I can't work out is how much is BB at fault, and how much is Razor's team strategy
To me, BB plays basically the same under any coach.
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If I had one piece of advice for them they'd listen to, it would be, get the best NH kicking coach they can find.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France I:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France I:
@canefan when kicks were the right option, he kicked the wrong type or just a shit kick that hes been doing for some time now.
Add in poor chasing, extremely poor aerial skills, we should have put the kicks away in the 2nd half except on exits.
But agreed, he was good elsewhere, we created alot, put ourselves in position only to be undone by our very poor kicking game
What I can't work out is how much is BB at fault, and how much is Razor's team strategy
Vern would have to also be at fault - I've mentioned a few times during SR how bizarre it is. If it's against coaches instruction, he'd be dropped, if the coaches are instructing him to do it... what the fuck?
He's done the same thing under multiple coaches, so I reckon it's him. Probably a hang over from when he was really quick. His speed would allow him to turn a lot of those kicks into something. Remember when the ball would bounce for him? He's not alone in thinking he can still do what he did when he was younger.
There was the Chiefs finals match.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France I:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France I:
@canefan when kicks were the right option, he kicked the wrong type or just a shit kick that hes been doing for some time now.
Add in poor chasing, extremely poor aerial skills, we should have put the kicks away in the 2nd half except on exits.
But agreed, he was good elsewhere, we created alot, put ourselves in position only to be undone by our very poor kicking game
What I can't work out is how much is BB at fault, and how much is Razor's team strategy
To me, BB plays basically the same under any coach.
So is he not receptive to being coached, or are all his coaches either too chicken shit to tell him to change, or they like the uncontrolled way he plays?
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Why aren't lessons permanently learned ?
Every rugby team knows to have chasers.
We'll hear about how they saw that as a "work on" in training.
Every rugby player knows low percentage plays aren't for test rugby.The rugby IQ of our team seems substandard.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France I:
If I had one piece of advice for them they'd listen to, it would be, get the best NH kicking coach they can find.
Ronan O'Gara was with Razor at the Saders wasn't he?
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@pakman said in All Blacks v France I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France I:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France I:
I guess the issue with BB and his kicking, is he either is 'allowed' to kick or told he shouldn't...I doubt any coach will do that.
I think he has had free reign for so long, he sees space then poorly executes...
It was notable when we put our kicking boots away, we were all over them and looking like breaking loose, but didn't, then re went back to the kicking duel, which kept putting ourselves under pressure.
Kicking asid, BB went pretty well, so how do you get your hugely experienced 10 to kick less?
His passing was really pretty good, best we've seen from him this year, and he kicked his goals well. But fuck me, he kicks so much attacking ball away it does my head in. Each one of those should be treated as a turnover, because that's what they are - if someone knocked the ball on multiple times every game while hot on attack, they would be crucified.
I'm sure there'll be some game where it all comes off and we look amazing and put 50 on some team, but most of the time it means not converting opportunities or applying pressure. that's how you get France C staying close enough to potentially snatch victory - and there are several teams out there better than France C.And he can't exit with distance. And missed touch from a penalty. And a defensive bomb. And we still don't chase and contest - TBH that's the bit that really confuses me - because if it's a plan, sack the chasers. if it's not a plan, sack the kicker.
It was noticeable that France had two or three effective chasers, whereas we often had no one getting near the ball.
What was most frustrating, was when we do have chasers, they seem coached to wait for the ball to either hit the turf or be caught by the opposition. Really substandard.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France I:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France I:
@canefan when kicks were the right option, he kicked the wrong type or just a shit kick that hes been doing for some time now.
Add in poor chasing, extremely poor aerial skills, we should have put the kicks away in the 2nd half except on exits.
But agreed, he was good elsewhere, we created alot, put ourselves in position only to be undone by our very poor kicking game
What I can't work out is how much is BB at fault, and how much is Razor's team strategy
To me, BB plays basically the same under any coach.
So is he not receptive to being coached, or are all his coaches either too chicken shit to tell him to change, or they like the uncontrolled way he plays?
Could be 2 or 3 out of those 3 options you name.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France I:
How good is it to have a unit in the middle of the lineout securing possession, catching kick-offs and the scrum not going backwards.
Yeah that was the biggest positive of the night, otherwise a serving up of the same old shite. At least our centres were better, however, our loosies and wing (Jordan is a fb) options are not really up to scratch. Lakai and Sititi being out doesn't help. I reckon those two are the long term prospects there.
Our Captain isn't doing it for me, more worrying as others have mentioned is our 1st 5 options, BB or Dmac are not the answer but the cuppord is bare.
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@Boourns said in All Blacks v France I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France I:
How good is it to have a unit in the middle of the lineout securing possession, catching kick-offs and the scrum not going backwards.
At least our centres were better
Is that you Billy Proctor?
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Probably the biggest positive for me in this test was seeing Roigard snipe again. He made two exceptional breaks, one leading to a disallowed try and the other where he was cut down just short from scoring.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
Probably the biggest positive for me in this test was seeing Roigard snipe again. He made two exceptional breaks, one leading to a disallowed try and the other where he was cut down just short from scoring.
Great to see him running so effectively. Ignored Jordie on the inside who would have scored though.
Passing was good too, kicking okay but not so great - particularly the shocker just before he was subbed. -
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
Probably the biggest positive for me in this test was seeing Roigard snipe again. He made two exceptional breaks, one leading to a disallowed try and the other where he was cut down just short from scoring.
Great to see him running so effectively. Ignored Jordie on the inside who would have scored though.
Passing was good too, kicking okay but not so great - particularly the shocker just before he was subbed.Yeah his kicking for the Canes this year wasn’t as good versus before he was injured. He doesn’t seem to get as much height in his kicks, hopefully he can get back to that level over the test season. His running game is coming back, let’s hope his kicking follows suit.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v France I:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France I:
I guess the issue with BB and his kicking, is he either is 'allowed' to kick or told he shouldn't...I doubt any coach will do that.
I think he has had free reign for so long, he sees space then poorly executes...
It was notable when we put our kicking boots away, we were all over them and looking like breaking loose, but didn't, then re went back to the kicking duel, which kept putting ourselves under pressure.
Kicking asid, BB went pretty well, so how do you get your hugely experienced 10 to kick less?
His passing was really pretty good, best we've seen from him this year, and he kicked his goals well. But fuck me, he kicks so much attacking ball away it does my head in. Each one of those should be treated as a turnover, because that's what they are - if someone knocked the ball on multiple times every game while hot on attack, they would be crucified.
I'm sure there'll be some game where it all comes off and we look amazing and put 50 on some team, but most of the time it means not converting opportunities or applying pressure. that's how you get France C staying close enough to potentially snatch victory - and there are several teams out there better than France C.And he can't exit with distance. And missed touch from a penalty. And a defensive bomb. And we still don't chase and contest - TBH that's the bit that really confuses me - because if it's a plan, sack the chasers. if it's not a plan, sack the kicker.
It was noticeable that France had two or three effective chasers, whereas we often had no one getting near the ball.
What was most frustrating, was when we do have chasers, they seem coached to wait for the ball to either hit the turf or be caught by the opposition. Really substandard.
It was like watching the Warriors were everyone just stops. Where is Ben Smith when you need him.
