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@reprobate said in US Politics:
so to save everybody some time, the trump supporters responses to all this are:
anyone would have done the same thing;
it's all a set-up by the dems;
nothing was actually said in the meeting so it is all fine;
if clinton had done this, it would be reported as being fine.christ on a fucking bike, talk about clutching at straws.
no, anyone would not have been delighted with the idea of a foreign government supporting an election campaign. it's illegal. most people involved in election campaigns would know that, and even if they were morally dubious enough to ignore that, they would not be stupid/naive enough to put themselves in this position. so that is just not true.
no, it is not a set-up by the democrats. the timeline shows this. at this time, the dems were laughing amongst themselves that the republicans had nominated trump, not planning his demise via some circuitous email scheme involving russians and trump jr. that is just ludicrous infowars style conspiracy bollocks.
we don't know what was said in the meeting, can't trust those who were there. regardless of content what trump jr did in organising a meeting to gain information provided by a supportive foreign government was wrong.
if anyone had done this it would have been reported as wrong - in different outlets it would be reported differently - as per the fox news softball interview.Sorry what exactly happened that was illegal?
And claiming it is illegal for a foreign govt to support an election campaign is bullshit and illustrative of the hysteria from the trump haters. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
so to save everybody some time, the trump supporters responses to all this are:
anyone would have done the same thing;
it's all a set-up by the dems;
nothing was actually said in the meeting so it is all fine;
if clinton had done this, it would be reported as being fine.christ on a fucking bike, talk about clutching at straws.
no, anyone would not have been delighted with the idea of a foreign government supporting an election campaign. it's illegal. most people involved in election campaigns would know that, and even if they were morally dubious enough to ignore that, they would not be stupid/naive enough to put themselves in this position. so that is just not true.
no, it is not a set-up by the democrats. the timeline shows this. at this time, the dems were laughing amongst themselves that the republicans had nominated trump, not planning his demise via some circuitous email scheme involving russians and trump jr. that is just ludicrous infowars style conspiracy bollocks.
we don't know what was said in the meeting, can't trust those who were there. regardless of content what trump jr did in organising a meeting to gain information provided by a supportive foreign government was wrong.
if anyone had done this it would have been reported as wrong - in different outlets it would be reported differently - as per the fox news softball interview.Sorry what exactly happened that was illegal?
And claiming it is illegal for a foreign govt to support an election campaign is bullshit and illustrative of the hysteria from the trump haters.as posted earlier by someone else, it is illegal for a foreign national or government to provide material assistance. 'as part of the russian government's support for your campaign' or whatever the wording was should have set off major alarm bells.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
so to save everybody some time, the trump supporters responses to all this are:
anyone would have done the same thing;
it's all a set-up by the dems;
nothing was actually said in the meeting so it is all fine;
if clinton had done this, it would be reported as being fine.christ on a fucking bike, talk about clutching at straws.
no, anyone would not have been delighted with the idea of a foreign government supporting an election campaign. it's illegal. most people involved in election campaigns would know that, and even if they were morally dubious enough to ignore that, they would not be stupid/naive enough to put themselves in this position. so that is just not true.
no, it is not a set-up by the democrats. the timeline shows this. at this time, the dems were laughing amongst themselves that the republicans had nominated trump, not planning his demise via some circuitous email scheme involving russians and trump jr. that is just ludicrous infowars style conspiracy bollocks.
we don't know what was said in the meeting, can't trust those who were there. regardless of content what trump jr did in organising a meeting to gain information provided by a supportive foreign government was wrong.
if anyone had done this it would have been reported as wrong - in different outlets it would be reported differently - as per the fox news softball interview.Sorry what exactly happened that was illegal?
And claiming it is illegal for a foreign govt to support an election campaign is bullshit and illustrative of the hysteria from the trump haters.as posted earlier by someone else, it is illegal for a foreign national or government to provide material assistance. 'as part of the russian government's support for your campaign' or whatever the wording was should have set off major alarm bells.
Can you just answer what happened that was illegal?
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@Catogrande I think the only way it could have been collected in the first place is under FISA.
Then it was leaked, strategically, just like all the other ones, to keep the drip, drip Russia narrative alive. And Don Jr. fucked up by not immediately telling the whole truth.
Interestingly, it came out very soon after the story on Comey possibly improperly handling the classified memos.
This is a fascinating article related to Comey and his leaking ways.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
so to save everybody some time, the trump supporters responses to all this are:
anyone would have done the same thing;
it's all a set-up by the dems;
nothing was actually said in the meeting so it is all fine;
if clinton had done this, it would be reported as being fine.christ on a fucking bike, talk about clutching at straws.
no, anyone would not have been delighted with the idea of a foreign government supporting an election campaign. it's illegal. most people involved in election campaigns would know that, and even if they were morally dubious enough to ignore that, they would not be stupid/naive enough to put themselves in this position. so that is just not true.
no, it is not a set-up by the democrats. the timeline shows this. at this time, the dems were laughing amongst themselves that the republicans had nominated trump, not planning his demise via some circuitous email scheme involving russians and trump jr. that is just ludicrous infowars style conspiracy bollocks.
we don't know what was said in the meeting, can't trust those who were there. regardless of content what trump jr did in organising a meeting to gain information provided by a supportive foreign government was wrong.
if anyone had done this it would have been reported as wrong - in different outlets it would be reported differently - as per the fox news softball interview.Sorry what exactly happened that was illegal?
And claiming it is illegal for a foreign govt to support an election campaign is bullshit and illustrative of the hysteria from the trump haters.as posted earlier by someone else, it is illegal for a foreign national or government to provide material assistance. 'as part of the russian government's support for your campaign' or whatever the wording was should have set off major alarm bells.
Can you just answer what happened that was illegal?
And let's stick to facts, not your conspiracy theory.my conspiracy theory, Mr 'instruments of the democrat political machine'?
we don't know what happened, that's why there is an ongoing investigation. what we do know is that trump jr was delighted to have the expressed support of the russian government, and organised a meeting which in his eyes was specifically to take information provided by them to assist in his father's election campaign. then lied about it.
if this was clinton you would be all over it like a rash, proclaiming it as direct evidence of corruption. how about putting your partisan bias aside for one second, and just admitting that what he did was wrong and stupid? the world would be a better place if people judged actions rather than just defending 'my guys' no matter what. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
so to save everybody some time, the trump supporters responses to all this are:
anyone would have done the same thing;
it's all a set-up by the dems;
nothing was actually said in the meeting so it is all fine;
if clinton had done this, it would be reported as being fine.christ on a fucking bike, talk about clutching at straws.
no, anyone would not have been delighted with the idea of a foreign government supporting an election campaign. it's illegal. most people involved in election campaigns would know that, and even if they were morally dubious enough to ignore that, they would not be stupid/naive enough to put themselves in this position. so that is just not true.
no, it is not a set-up by the democrats. the timeline shows this. at this time, the dems were laughing amongst themselves that the republicans had nominated trump, not planning his demise via some circuitous email scheme involving russians and trump jr. that is just ludicrous infowars style conspiracy bollocks.
we don't know what was said in the meeting, can't trust those who were there. regardless of content what trump jr did in organising a meeting to gain information provided by a supportive foreign government was wrong.
if anyone had done this it would have been reported as wrong - in different outlets it would be reported differently - as per the fox news softball interview.Sorry what exactly happened that was illegal?
And claiming it is illegal for a foreign govt to support an election campaign is bullshit and illustrative of the hysteria from the trump haters.as posted earlier by someone else, it is illegal for a foreign national or government to provide material assistance. 'as part of the russian government's support for your campaign' or whatever the wording was should have set off major alarm bells.
Can you just answer what happened that was illegal?
And let's stick to facts, not your conspiracy theory.That was an answer to the question (unless something has been deleted). As with any legal argument things can be debated and various 'experts' have various views. Quite a few subscribe to the view that Trump Jnrs actions could be illegal.
Even if not illegal there are reasonable questions to ask on why the story kept changing until there was no escape.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
@Catogrande I think the only way it could have been collected in the first place is under FISA.
Then it was leaked, strategically, just like all the other ones, to keep the drip, drip Russia narrative alive. And Don Jr. fucked up by not immediately telling the whole truth.
Interestingly, it came out very soon after the story on Comey possibly improperly handling the classified memos.
This is a fascinating article related to Comey and his leaking ways.
Geez Frank, I really hope you don't subscribe to the name calling of Trump Derangement Syndrome elsewhere in the thread because it would open up a counter claim of Anti-Trump Derangement Syndrome
Have you considered that the leak of emails came from the lawyer herself or another party close to her?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Catogrande said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Crucial ha ha - You know I was being sarcastic.
I'd also like to know how the emails of Don Jr and Goldstone ended up in the hands of the NY Times.
That's an interesting point. Who leaked them and why, although the who will probably tell you the why. However the leakings themselves do not absolve Don Jnr's behaviour. The two issues are different but connected. You couldn't have had the leaks if he hadn't have acted like a clown.
A clown??
Because he wanted to find out what dirt this lawyer has on Clinton?No, because the lawyer stated the information was part of Russian Govt support and he still wanted it.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Frank I'm sure they are being looked into. Both appear to have been used as instruments by the Russians.
I still don't get your theory of the Trump Jnr meeting being 'anti-Trump' set up. It just doesn't compute. Even though it has turned out disruptive in a way probably not envisaged and Putin will be chuckling away. If anything it was a meeting to see how responsive the campaign would be to getting direct info.The reason it is newsworthy is that Jnr WAS responsive.
Or instruments of the Democrat political machine....
I've asked quite few times for subscribers to this theory to explain how they think that is logical.
For Fusion, yes I can totally see how the Dems could be behind that but can come up with a better theory on Fusion being played by Russia.
for Trump Jnr, I have already pointed out in the thread how illogical that theory is.
The link between the two that @Frank posted about is tenuous at best. The better connection is that they both moved in the same circles and had similar contacts. That again leads to Russian meddling not Dem skulduggery. -
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
Is that creepy now? If you watch the video without reading the guardians editorial it doesn't seem so bad to me. She is in good shape for her age, seems like an innocuous compliment he truly means.
Ask your missus if she would appreciate that comment from someone she was just meeting for the first time, especially if he then turned to you and said the same thing as if she was an object.
I can't believe anyone finds that acceptable.
Saying it to someone you know well would even be fraught with danger.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@reprobate said in US Politics:
so to save everybody some time, the trump supporters responses to all this are:
anyone would have done the same thing;
it's all a set-up by the dems;
nothing was actually said in the meeting so it is all fine;
if clinton had done this, it would be reported as being fine.christ on a fucking bike, talk about clutching at straws.
no, anyone would not have been delighted with the idea of a foreign government supporting an election campaign. it's illegal. most people involved in election campaigns would know that, and even if they were morally dubious enough to ignore that, they would not be stupid/naive enough to put themselves in this position. so that is just not true.
no, it is not a set-up by the democrats. the timeline shows this. at this time, the dems were laughing amongst themselves that the republicans had nominated trump, not planning his demise via some circuitous email scheme involving russians and trump jr. that is just ludicrous infowars style conspiracy bollocks.
we don't know what was said in the meeting, can't trust those who were there. regardless of content what trump jr did in organising a meeting to gain information provided by a supportive foreign government was wrong.
if anyone had done this it would have been reported as wrong - in different outlets it would be reported differently - as per the fox news softball interview.Sorry what exactly happened that was illegal?
And claiming it is illegal for a foreign govt to support an election campaign is bullshit and illustrative of the hysteria from the trump haters.as posted earlier by someone else, it is illegal for a foreign national or government to provide material assistance. 'as part of the russian government's support for your campaign' or whatever the wording was should have set off major alarm bells.
Can you just answer what happened that was illegal?
And let's stick to facts, not your conspiracy theory.That was an answer to the question (unless something has been deleted). As with any legal argument things can be debated and various 'experts' have various views. Quite a few subscribe to the view that Trump Jnrs actions could be illegal.
Even if not illegal there are reasonable questions to ask on why the story kept changing until there was no escape.
Blah blah blah... what laws were broken?
This is crucial to the whole issue. .. so expected more than vague smear. -
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Catogrande said in US Politics:
@Frank said in US Politics:
@Crucial ha ha - You know I was being sarcastic.
I'd also like to know how the emails of Don Jr and Goldstone ended up in the hands of the NY Times.
That's an interesting point. Who leaked them and why, although the who will probably tell you the why. However the leakings themselves do not absolve Don Jnr's behaviour. The two issues are different but connected. You couldn't have had the leaks if he hadn't have acted like a clown.
A clown??
Because he wanted to find out what dirt this lawyer has on Clinton?No, because the lawyer stated the information was part of Russian Govt support and he still wanted it.
Well that is completely and utterly wrong. Where do you get your information from?
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