Revenue Sharing
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No, they aren't.
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Remember the protests led by Mahonri Schwalger (and his subsequent blacklisting by the powers that be) about the inappropriate allocating of money and gear by officials of the Samoa RFU. Is this current situation the chicken coming home to roost, again?
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@higgins said in Revenue Sharing:
Remember the protests led by Mahonri Schwalger (and his subsequent blacklisting by the powers that be) about the inappropriate allocating of money and gear by officials of the Samoa RFU. Is this current situation the chicken coming home to roost, again?
He was quite right to whistleblow. It's a shame nothing has changed. I know of stories from within the Manu Samoa camp in those days from someone involved and they were basically along the lines of players and staff being treated like crap while the management hangers on all stayed down the road in luxury.
I don't want to make accusations on something I know little about but there seems to be a large 'cultural' aspect to what goes on. -
@crucial said in Revenue Sharing:
@higgins said in Revenue Sharing:
Remember the protests led by Mahonri Schwalger (and his subsequent blacklisting by the powers that be) about the inappropriate allocating of money and gear by officials of the Samoa RFU. Is this current situation the chicken coming home to roost, again?
He was quite right to whistleblow. It's a shame nothing has changed. I know of stories from within the Manu Samoa camp in those days from someone involved and they were basically along the lines of players and staff being treated like crap while the management hangers on all stayed down the road in luxury.
I don't want to make accusations on something I know little about but there seems to be a large 'cultural' aspect to what goes on.Yeah, it's no secret the governance has been an issue for all 3 PI unions, and this why when IRB re-jigged their voting structure a few years ago that the PIs didn't get their voting power increased, and didn't get individual votes per country.
As an example from Tonga 2 years ago. The IRB pay the salary on behalf of the TRU for the TRU head coach and high performance manager.
After 2015 new TRU CEO Faeo Vunipola sacked both these guys without consulting IRB. The IRB subsequently froze distributions to the TRU.
Sport: Former Tonga Rugby boss hits back at criticisms
The former head of the Tonga Rugby Union says claims the organisation is broke are incorrect.
Epeli Taione said funding from World Rugby had been frozen because due process wasn't followed when key staff, including high performance manager Peter Harding and national coach Mana Otai, were removed without explanation.
"When the new regime took over...you cannot sack the high performance, manager, the coach and CEO, which is the main head of rugby, so obviously he didn't know where to start and I just think to be honest he's just completely out of his depth. All these words that they're saying that Tonga Rugby Union is broke is far from the mark, it's misinformed and it's untrue. Why World Cup funding is freezing is because he (Vunipola) doesn't follow due process."
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http://www.sportcal.com/News/FeaturedNews/112954
Interesting interview with Beaumont.
World Rugby wants more sponsors to reduce dependence on Rugby World Cup
In a separate interview, Bill Beaumont, the chair of World Rugby (pictured), suggested that the governing body could go so far as to seek to pool revenues with the national rugby unions to ensure that it is not perpetually forced into returning to the sport’s biggest markets to host the tournament, simply in order to maximise revenues. He said: “What we have to try and do is make sure all our competitions are self-funding and self-sufficient. We’re very reliant on the four years of the Rugby World Cup. We want to make sure we don’t always have to go to where we make most money. “We also have to consider lots of other markets in North and South America, if we’re talking about a world game. World Rugby is reliant on its constituent bodies [the unions], so we have to be extremely careful we don’t tread on their toes. But we’d like to try and get more collaboration of all the unions – it could be in the best interests of the game to pool resources.” It seems questionable whether the larger unions would agree to share their revenues with the smaller ones, but Beaumont insisted: “Being collaborative with all the stakeholders means there might be more in the pot for everyone.” Pointing out that he was himself formerly the chair of England’s Rugby Football Union, the sport’s largest and richest, Beaumont added: “If we can make certain there would be more for them, they’d be more likely to agree.” Beaumont is 14 months into his first four-year term as World Rugby president (he said he would consider standing for a second term “if people still want me”). Asked what are the biggest challenges facing World Rugby, he said: “In trying to grow the game globally, we’ve got to make sure the major unions are viable; that while this successful game is being expanded, we’re not losing but keeping existing territories. It’s well documented that not many unions are generating a great deal of money. There’s huge inflation in players’ salaries driven by the English and French clubs.”Now. The only way I can see the IRB creating an environment where the T1 unions are pooling resources with T2 and T3 unions (e.g. TV Rights) is if they are in a shared competition/tournament.
The only way I can see the IRB 'forcing' T1 unions into shared tournaments with T2 unions is via RWC Qualifying.
Interesting. Maybe we won't see 12 direct qualifiers for RWCs in the future. May see just 2 or 3 direct qualifiers -
and the rest go into continental qualifying competitions. With the IRB selling (or getting a cut) of TV Rights and sponsorship which it then adds to its 4-yearly distributions cycle. -
Other interesting parts of that interview, from a general IRB revenue POV:
World Rugby’s revenues over the current four-year Rugby World Cup cycle up to the 2019 Rugby World Cup are expected to total about £500 million ($676 million), according to Gosper, albeit the organisation is budgeting for a 20-per-cent shortfall in the period after the 2019 edition. The 2019 tournament is being held outside the circle of the traditional heavyweight rugby union nations for the first time, and in a time zone that is less attractive to broadcasters in Europe than the 2015 edition hosted by England, although reduced media rights income is partly counterbalanced by record sponsorship revenue and an increased hosting fee. Of the £500-million total, 85 per cent derives from the Rugby World Cup, Gosper said, with the remaining 15 per cent coming mainly from the annual HSBC Sevens World Series, plus other tournaments such as the Women’s Rugby World Cup. -
Another interesting article I found, when searhcing for above,
NBCUniversal to televise Rugby World Cup in 2019, 2023
NBCUniversal has reached a deal to televise the next two Rugby World Cups in an attempt to make a sport that is wildly popular in other parts of the world more mainstream in the U.S.
IRB's sale of TV rights to NBC includes a profit sharing clause apparently. Incentive for NBC to see it grow.
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@rapido said in Revenue Sharing:
Interesting. Maybe we won't see 12 direct qualifiers for RWCs in the future. May see just 2 or 3 direct qualifiers -
and the rest go into continental qualifying competitions. With the IRB selling (or getting a cut) of TV Rights and sponsorship which it then adds to its 4-yearly distributions cycle.More of a FIFA WC style competition where only the host is a guaranteed qualifier?
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@antipodean said in Revenue Sharing:
@rapido said in Revenue Sharing:
Interesting. Maybe we won't see 12 direct qualifiers for RWCs in the future. May see just 2 or 3 direct qualifiers -
and the rest go into continental qualifying competitions. With the IRB selling (or getting a cut) of TV Rights and sponsorship which it then adds to its 4-yearly distributions cycle.More of a FIFA WC style competition where only the host is a guaranteed qualifier?
Host(s) and reigning champ
Wasn't that the case in the 90s?
May have been 3rd place up to try and give some meaning to that game.
Aussie had to play qualifier(s) one year.
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England had to qualify for the 1999 World Cup.
They played a tournament in northern England (Huddersfield) . England, Italy, Netherlands.
This was pre Italy being invited into the 6 Nations, so both teams were seen as 'exotic'.
I think they spanked Netherlands by 100.
I think that year(1999) was the most comprehensive qualifying. It must have been top 3 from 1995 (as England came 4th in 95). Australia also must have had to qualify that year as they were knocked out in 1/4 finals in 95. I don't remember Australia qualifying, but they would have just had to play 'normal' Oceania teams.
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- European qualifying.
Scotland, Spain, Portugal played a tournament in Murrayfield.
Ireland, Romania, Georgia played a tournament in Dublin.
Oceania:
Australia, Fiji, Samoa, Tonga played a tournament in Brisbane, Canberra, Sydney.
- European qualifying.
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I thought that NZRU had been strangely quiet on any revenue sharing arrangement from the double header held at Eden Park earlier this year. I would have thought it was something they would have been pleased to make public.
This now explains it for me. It was a Tonga home game, Tonga keep the revenue.
Tew confirmed NZR had also picked up all Samoa's costs for the Eden Park clash against the All Blacks prior to the Lions tour. But it could not share revenue as it was a home game for Tonga that night against Wales. -
That article above also touches on the 'loss' fallout from Samoa hosting the All Blacks in 2015.
But Tew found it difficult to comprehend reports that Samoa's 2015 clash against the All Blacks in Apia had contributed significantly to its debt. "We paid all our own costs to be there, sent a lot of people up to help manage the game, and deliberately went in for a short period," he said. "They only picked up our landed costs, and that should have made it profitable."Way back in 2015, I was really disappointed at how eager the SRU and Samoan PM were to trumpet how much of a loss they made from hosting the All Blacks. I've got to ask for what reasons? What political advantage was to be gained? Easier to subsequently ask for money from Samoan government?
Tuilaepa suggested government help would be needed to fill the financial shortfall.Plenty of posters on here were also gleeful at the 'loss', as IMO, it justified the "never been to Samoa" chestnut. Plenty of people willing to swallow the Samoan PM's line on that one, but question his world on other occasions.
I'll admit by bias. I was really disappointed at how eager the SRU and Samoan PM were to trumpet how much of a loss they made from hosting the All Blacks.
At the time, I read into it wondering how the SRU made a loss.
Just going by this stuff article you can see the interesting anomolies; stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/70562432/samoa-loses-1m-hosting-historic-all-blacks-testTuilaepa, who doubles as chairman of the Samoan Rugby Union, has claimed the total cost of the test – assembling the largely offshore-based Samoan squad and hosting the All Blacks - was $3.4m (NZ$2.1m), offset by generated revenue of $1.9m (NZ$1.2m). That left the union staring at a loss of $1.5m (NZ$1m). "$3.4 million was spent to host the All Blacks. The money was spent on preparations, the cost of everything and allowances. The bulk of the money went towards the players' allowances," Tuilaepa told a news conference "The Samoan squad **had an extended camp** leading into the All Blacks test and the Pacific Nations Cup which it is now contesting with Tonga, Fiji, the United States, Canada and Japan. Income from the All Blacks fixture hadn't matched outgoings." "It doesn't cover our expenses, especially the extended camp for the players. Food, allowances, transport… it's all money," TuilaepaThere currently isn't a reputable 'partner' that NZRU can deal with in Samoa. Loss or no loss, I can't see the NZRU being eager to bend over backwards to visit again it if is just going to be used as a bargaining ploy by the SRU to demonstrate that they need more money.
Similarly, I have read that SANZAR, while keen to expand into the PIs with a franchise back when they added the sunwolves. Don';t see a creditble partner anywhere in the PIs that they can deal with and trust to have capable governance that a franchise doesn't become a debacle for SANZAR to prop up.
Sad times, that can only be fixed when governance is accountable. Fiji are on track, SRU are still in denial.
1999 Rugby World Cup – European qualification - Wikipedia