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@crucial said in US Politics:
@frank said in US Politics:
They'll be hoping for excessive use of force at the border - preferably children or women hurt or killed so it can be broadcast around the world.
Of all the dumb posts and statements that appear in this thread, this takes the cake.I repeat. The Dem' political operatives at the heart of this operation want bloodshed at the border. The goal of this Caravan is to cause hostility and provoke Trump into using aggressive force. Bloodshed footage for the MSM allies (even some pro-amnesty Republicans)
They want Trump in a bind - let them in, he's weak on the border.
Resist too much - he's Hitler or something.It's over 2000 miles from Honduras to the Southern border of the U S. If these folks average 20 miles a day, they'll get here mid February. Obviously this is a paid for publicity stunt. Who is feeding 5,000 people? Where are they using the toilet? Where are they bathing? Sleep in? Where are there possession s--they don't have any belongings at all. This is all so tightly controlled. The human shields are the children.
This is a gross miscarriage of the democratic process and totally sick.
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@frank Sadly I agree that the current deranged mob running the Democrats absolutely want bloodshed if that means Trump would go.
2,000 miles to walk, I guess we'll know pretty soon as to whether they are getting 'outside' support if they suddenly show up on the border in a couple weeks..I just can't see it though, surely this would be losing issue for the Dems especially if there appears to be some assistance to get them there. My feeling is Trump is using this more to gain support.
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@rembrandt said in US Politics:
@frank Sadly I agree that the current deranged mob running the Democrats absolutely want bloodshed if that means Trump would go.
Really? You both believe that Democrat politicians actively want deaths* to force a political point scoring exercise?
*I assume bloodshed isn't hyperbole for grazed knees?
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@antipodean 'Deaths' might be pushing it, but yes there appears to be an extremist element within the party calling for Trumps removal by any means necessary. I mean he's literally Hitler right? So the ends must justify the means.
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@rembrandt said in US Politics:
@antipodean 'Deaths' might be pushing it, but yes there appears to be an extremist element within the party calling for Trumps removal by any means necessary. I mean he's literally Hitler right? So the ends must justify the means.
I ignore the lunatics on either side of debates. If you give them air, they shape the narrative and it becomes increasingly partisan.
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@antipodean That's where the Dems are failing hard. They should be turfing out the radical element rather than embracing them, moderates are leaving.
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@rembrandt said in US Politics:
surely this would be losing issue for the Dems especially if there appears to be some assistance to get them there. My feeling is Trump is using this more to gain support.
I think its obvious. Gingrich and other Republicans are saying that there are two key issues in this election - Kavanaugh and the 'Caravan'
Politically that is smart, as they are winning issues. It's also smart that the Dems are avoiding those issues.The conspiracy theory that the Dems are (indirectly) paying for the caravan doesn't add up when the Dems don't want to talk about the issue
Also, it's worth noting that huge numbers of Central Americans pay coyote's several thousand to cross the border every year. The passage is not safe and it's believed the majority of females are raped on the journey.
These people are not paying coyote's and they are relying on safety (and success) in numbers. They could easily be paying for their own food and living rough.This situation ends as soon as the US convinces Mexico its in their interest to stop it. Sometime after the midterms Trump will use either a carrot or a stick to get Mexico on his side.
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@rembrandt said in US Politics:
@antipodean That's where the Dems are failing hard. They should be turfing out the radical element rather than embracing them, moderates are leaving.
Both sides have radical elements. Both sides giving voice to them drives away their own moderates.
@frank said in US Politics:
What if there were 8000 Russians at the border wanting to come in to vote for Trump?
Been to Brighton Beach in New York? By 2015 there was about 400,000 Russians living in America. By the mid-1990s more than half obtained refugee status.
The question for Trump is how to control his border in the face of this precedent. If this caravan forces its way in it would signal to everyone in the failed states of central America how to safely get into the USA.
So what can Trump offer Mexico to get them to intervene? Because they seem incapable of preventing drug mules and illegal migration as it currently stands.
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Also doesn't this Caravan sort of brings the whole 'Wall' issue front and centre. If the midterms go well for the Republicans then we might see some progress on that front..especially if scenes like the breaking through of the Mexican border get a lot of airtime.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
Both sides have radical elements. Both sides giving voice to them drives away their own moderates.
Genuine question, who do you see in the Republican party as the radical element?
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@rembrandt said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
Both sides have radical elements. Both sides giving voice to them drives away their own moderates.
Genuine question, who do you see in the Republican party as the radical element?
What do you mean in? I'm referring to your Michelle Bachmanns, Pat Robertsons, Glenn Becks, Jim Inhofes, etc. Perhaps not radicals so much as lunatics.
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@rembrandt said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
Both sides have radical elements. Both sides giving voice to them drives away their own moderates.
Genuine question, who do you see in the Republican party as the radical element?
The Neocons, the hawks, the wacko War-Mongers, Bill Kristol and friends, the crowd who never see a problem without immediately telling us a missile attack is the best solution. But thankfully, their influence has been waning, even with John Bolton in the administration, and most of them are now breaking bread with Democrats.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@rembrandt said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
Both sides have radical elements. Both sides giving voice to them drives away their own moderates.
Genuine question, who do you see in the Republican party as the radical element?
What do you mean in? I'm referring to your Michelle Bachmanns, Pat Robertsons, Glenn Becks, Jim Inhofes, etc. Perhaps not radicals so much as lunatics.
Cheers, of those I'd only heard of Glenn Beck, a brief google search shows only Inhofe currently in office. The radical element I'm referring to in the Dems I would argue are significantly more influential due to their position which combined with the associate BLM & Antifa groups spell real trouble.
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This just happened and is very apt for this conversation. Tim Pool is an independent journalist who first became famous for his coverage of Occupy Wall Street.
He's a lefty but goes out of his way to try and report as unbiased as possible, a couple years of on the ground reporting has certainly challenged his views on the world and woken him up to some of the madness.
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Tim Pool sounds like a whiny bitch and I'm less than a quarter of the way through. Surely a twelve word post on twitter would achieve the same thing?
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@antipodean Well he's pretty fired up as you would be. I've been following him for over a year so I can say its pretty out of character for him. To save you time in summary he's basically had it with what the democrat's and their supporters have become.
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