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    @mikethesnow said in 2018 November Internationals:

    Farrell, Te'O, Tuilagi

    Well at least there's one English-born player involved..

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    @crucial said in 2018 November Internationals:

    Mind you, if Ashton gets to do one of his dorky swan dives......

    Or this....

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    @victor-meldrew said in 2018 November Internationals:

    @crucial said in 2018 November Internationals:

    Mind you, if Ashton gets to do one of his dorky swan dives......

    Or this....

    Love it when Nonu 'playfully' punches him.....

    BTW some pretty good play in there from Nonu. Maybe he's not so much a geriatric as the Blues fans are saying?

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    @crucial

    Yeah, there seems to be a bit more than playfulness in Nonu's fist....

    Mate's a Scarlet's supporter and reports that, when they played Toulon, Nonu is/was still outstanding on and off the field.

    Spent ages with Llanelli fans after the game, posing for selfies and chatting to all and sundry - unlike the French international who was more interested in getting to the food than chat to the locals.

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    @victor-meldrew said in 2018 November Internationals:

    @crucial

    Yeah, there seems to be a bit more than playfulness in Nonu's fist....

    Mate's a Scarlet's supporter and reports that, when they played Toulon, Nonu is/was still outstanding on and off the field.

    Spent ages with Llanelli fans after the game, posing for selfies and chatting to all and sundry - unlike the French international who was more interested in getting to the food than chat to the locals.

    Went to Toulon (mate a fan) to see them play Bath. Nonu still had the ability, but in that game played in fits and starts.

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    On loosies, IMHO Ireland is likely to have the best balanced trio in NH this autumn. Scotland and Wales also value a classic 7, whereas England has until very recently been stuck in the mindset, like the Boks, that 7 (Boks 6) has to be 110 kg.

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    @pakman said in 2018 November Internationals:

    On loosies, IMHO Ireland is likely to have the best balanced trio in NH this autumn. Scotland and Wales also value a classic 7, whereas England has until very recently been stuck in the mindset, like the Boks, that 7 (Boks 6) has to be 110 kg.

    It's not a mindset. They just don't seem to breed any decent 7s that don't break

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    @stargazer said in 2018 November Internationals:

    Unlikely that Ferners would receive EirSport surely??

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    @derm-mccrum We've Ferners from or living in Ireland.

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    England team naming for the Bokscoming up. Chris Foy of the Daily Fail thinks Tuilagi will be on the bench and the back row will be Shields, Curry and Mercer:

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    @sparky said in 2018 November Internationals:

    England team naming for the Bokscoming up. Chris Foy of the Daily Fail thinks Tuilagi will be on the bench and the back row will be Shields, Curry and Mercer:

    Trying for some late bench impact?

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    @catogrande said in 2018 November Internationals:

    @sparky said in 2018 November Internationals:

    20 year-old Tom Curry's the only player there remotely like an Openside Flanker.

    Yep, all the others are basically 6s. Yeah Mercer has played a lot of 8 but not so much at senior level and he's not been tearing the place up. Wilson has been solid and has a bit of dog about him. Shields has done sweet FA in the UK and hardly shone in SA during the summer. We've left our best available 8 (Morgan) and 7 (Underhill) out altogether. Curry aside we've gone for biggish, slowish munters. Oh and we've been mullered at the breakdown for a season and a half.

    Fuck. Just, fuck.

    Mercer's nothing like a big slow munter (assuming he starts). Certainly questions over whether he'll be able to shine against the quality of opposition here and I'd worry about his carrying in traffic. That said he'll be the most mobile 8 England have fielded in a while and probably the skinniest.

    I'd have picked Morgan any day though. Happy with Curry over Underhill, who's too much of a one trick pony imo

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    @margin_walker said in 2018 November Internationals:

    @catogrande said in 2018 November Internationals:

    @sparky said in 2018 November Internationals:

    20 year-old Tom Curry's the only player there remotely like an Openside Flanker.

    Yep, all the others are basically 6s. Yeah Mercer has played a lot of 8 but not so much at senior level and he's not been tearing the place up. Wilson has been solid and has a bit of dog about him. Shields has done sweet FA in the UK and hardly shone in SA during the summer. We've left our best available 8 (Morgan) and 7 (Underhill) out altogether. Curry aside we've gone for biggish, slowish munters. Oh and we've been mullered at the breakdown for a season and a half.

    Fuck. Just, fuck.

    Mercer's nothing like a big slow munter (assuming he starts). Certainly questions over whether he'll be able to shine against the quality of opposition here and I'd worry about his carrying in traffic. That said he'll be the most mobile 8 England have fielded in a while and probably the skinniest.

    I'd have picked Morgan any day though. Happy with Curry over Underhill, who's too much of a one trick pony imo

    Fair point, though I did say big-ish and slow-ish. He's not slow by current standards but he's no tearaway either. I certainly don't see him as any part of the answer to our problems. Curry I'm fine with and TBH I'd be OK with Underhill too. I get what you mean by one trick pony but I'd counter that by saying he is pretty good at his one trick and it's a trick that we don't have elsewhere in the back row. Like you I'd have Morgan at 8 and then we have a number of options at 6 (but then again when haven't we?). Curry, Morgan and A N Other has a better look about it to me.

    Edit: And I'd counter your point about his being the most mobile 8 England have had for a while with the name Simmonds.

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    @catogrande said in 2018 November Internationals:

    @margin_walker said in 2018 November Internationals:

    @catogrande said in 2018 November Internationals:

    @sparky said in 2018 November Internationals:

    20 year-old Tom Curry's the only player there remotely like an Openside Flanker.

    Yep, all the others are basically 6s. Yeah Mercer has played a lot of 8 but not so much at senior level and he's not been tearing the place up. Wilson has been solid and has a bit of dog about him. Shields has done sweet FA in the UK and hardly shone in SA during the summer. We've left our best available 8 (Morgan) and 7 (Underhill) out altogether. Curry aside we've gone for biggish, slowish munters. Oh and we've been mullered at the breakdown for a season and a half.

    Fuck. Just, fuck.

    Mercer's nothing like a big slow munter (assuming he starts). Certainly questions over whether he'll be able to shine against the quality of opposition here and I'd worry about his carrying in traffic. That said he'll be the most mobile 8 England have fielded in a while and probably the skinniest.

    I'd have picked Morgan any day though. Happy with Curry over Underhill, who's too much of a one trick pony imo

    Fair point, though I did say big-ish and slow-ish. He's not slow by current standards but he's no tearaway either. I certainly don't see him as any part of the answer to our problems. Curry I'm fine with and TBH I'd be OK with Underhill too. I get what you mean by one trick pony but I'd counter that by saying he is pretty good at his one trick and it's a trick that we don't have elsewhere in the back row. Like you I'd have Morgan at 8 and then we have a number of options at 6 (but then again when haven't we?). Curry, Morgan and A N Other has a better look about it to me.

    Edit: And I'd counter your point about his being the most mobile 8 England have had for a while with the name Simmonds.

    England's biggest failure over the last 12 months has been getting bodies to the ruck quickly and effectively. Finding the balance between the desire to endlessly carry over the gain line and being fast enough to slow down opposition ball is the question.
    Does this proposed lineup appear to be the answer?

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    Yeah, Simmonds would probably be quicker (certainly over shorter distances) but Mercer's pretty quick and skilful. Not in the plodder category anyway. I just don't see him making too many inroads into that Bok defence

    After all this it will probably be Wilson or Shields at 8 anyway knowing Eddie. Would prefer Wilson out of those two.

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    Wilson it is

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    @crucial said in 2018 November Internationals:

    @catogrande said in 2018 November Internationals:

    @margin_walker said in 2018 November Internationals:

    @catogrande said in 2018 November Internationals:

    @sparky said in 2018 November Internationals:

    20 year-old Tom Curry's the only player there remotely like an Openside Flanker.

    Yep, all the others are basically 6s. Yeah Mercer has played a lot of 8 but not so much at senior level and he's not been tearing the place up. Wilson has been solid and has a bit of dog about him. Shields has done sweet FA in the UK and hardly shone in SA during the summer. We've left our best available 8 (Morgan) and 7 (Underhill) out altogether. Curry aside we've gone for biggish, slowish munters. Oh and we've been mullered at the breakdown for a season and a half.

    Fuck. Just, fuck.

    Mercer's nothing like a big slow munter (assuming he starts). Certainly questions over whether he'll be able to shine against the quality of opposition here and I'd worry about his carrying in traffic. That said he'll be the most mobile 8 England have fielded in a while and probably the skinniest.

    I'd have picked Morgan any day though. Happy with Curry over Underhill, who's too much of a one trick pony imo

    Fair point, though I did say big-ish and slow-ish. He's not slow by current standards but he's no tearaway either. I certainly don't see him as any part of the answer to our problems. Curry I'm fine with and TBH I'd be OK with Underhill too. I get what you mean by one trick pony but I'd counter that by saying he is pretty good at his one trick and it's a trick that we don't have elsewhere in the back row. Like you I'd have Morgan at 8 and then we have a number of options at 6 (but then again when haven't we?). Curry, Morgan and A N Other has a better look about it to me.

    Edit: And I'd counter your point about his being the most mobile 8 England have had for a while with the name Simmonds.

    England's biggest failure over the last 12 months has been getting bodies to the ruck quickly and effectively. Finding the balance between the desire to endlessly carry over the gain line and being fast enough to slow down opposition ball is the question.
    Does this proposed lineup appear to be the answer?

    I'd like to think it has a decent chance, but we won't know if we don't try it. I'm a bit pissed off that Eddie hasn't really experimented much in the back row, given our collective failures in that area but to an extent his hands have been tied by injuries (Curry, Underhill) and lack of form (Kvesic). It does seem that we are no nearer to solving a problem that was apparent under both Johnson and Lancaster.

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    @margin_walker said in 2018 November Internationals:

    @catogrande

    Yeah, Simmonds would probably be quicker (certainly over shorter distances) but Mercer's pretty quick and skilful. Not in the plodder category anyway. I just don't see him making two many inroads into that Bok defence

    After all this it will probably be Wilson or Shields at 8 anyway knowing Eddie. Would prefer Wilson out of those two.

    In a nutshell

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    @margin_walker Given the squad that's not such a bad outcome, though who is going to make way for Tuilagi? Slade to 12? Ford to 10 and Farrell to 12? Keep Teo alongside Tuilagi? Not sure I like any of those options really.

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