2018 November Internationals

Derm McCrum

@rapido said in 2018 November Internationals:

Acres of empty seats at Paris. Got me curious to see the crowds for all the games on the weekend.

A very neat (and maybe optimistic) exactly 50k at Paris allegedly.
Great crowd at Edinburgh (capacity).
10k under capacity at Cardiff.
Twickenham and Lansdowne Road at capacity.

France v South Africa - Paris - 50,000
England v New Zealand - London - 82,149
Wales v Australia - Cardiff - 64,110
Ireland v Argentina - Dublin - 52,000
Scotland v Fiji - Edinburgh - 67,144
Italy v Georgia - Florence - 18,424

Wales rarely sells out for Aus or SA. Only Six Nations and NZ.

Stargazer

Citing

Eroni Vasiteri (Fiji)
Fiji player Eroni Vasiteri has been cited by independent Citing Commissioner Andy Blyth (England) for an alleged act of foul play contrary to Law 9.13 (dangerous tackle) during the test match between Scotland and Fiji on 10 November.
The hearing will take place on 13 November in London and will be heard by an independent panel comprising Charles Cuthbert (UAE, Chair), Donal Courtney (Ireland) and Mike Rafter (England).

Stargazer

Decision

Eroni Vasiteri (Fiji)

An independent judicial committee has cleared Eroni Vasiteri of Fiji to play following a disciplinary hearing on 13 November, 2018 in London.

Vasiteri was cited for an act of foul play contrary to Law 9.13* following the November test between Scotland and Fiji at Murrayfield on 10 November, 2018. His case was heard by an independent judicial committee chaired by Charles Cuthbert (UAE), alongside Donal Courtney (Ireland, former international referee) and Mike Rafter (England, former international player).

The player denied he had committed the act of foul play. Having conducted a detailed review of all the available evidence, the committee deemed that the alleged offence had been an act of foul play, but did not pass the ‘red card test’ and thus did not warrant any further sanction.

Vasiteri is free to resume playing with immediate effect.

The full written decision is available here.

*Law 9.13 states: ‘A player must not tackle an opponent early, late or dangerously. Dangerous tackling includes but is not limited to tackling or attempting to tackle an opponent above the line of the shoulders even if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders.’

Stargazer

All line-ups have been published. You can find the links to the matchday squads in my updated blog post, as well as info about where to watch which games (in New Zealand) and a few livestreams for those who are interested.

https://www.thesilverfern.com/2018/10/25/2018-november-internationals/

Wairau

My jaw actually dropped, yes that's a thing.
Scotland's first try against the Boks, check it out. Fantastic speed and offloads. Maitland.

Stargazer

Decision on the citing of Kolisi, following the Scotland v South Africa test:

Siya Kolisi (South Africa)

Siya Kolisi (South Africa) has received a Citing Commissioner Warning from Citing Commissioner David Pelton (USA) for striking with the head (Law 9.12) during the 31st minute of the Scotland versus South Africa November test at BT Murrayfield on 17 November.

Having reviewed the video angles, the Citing Commissioner determined that there were mitigating factors which meant that the action did not meet the red card threshold, including the player being illegally prevented from re-joining the play by Scotland’s Peter Horne and the moderate force of the strike to the side of the head. The match officials did not see the incident at the time on the field of play.

Under World Rugby Regulation 17, a Citing Commissioner Warning is issued for offences falling just short of a RC and, or similarly to cards, will form part of the player’s disciplinary record.

See this clip:

Machpants

Just trying to get his head down and out of the way of the half backs pass.....

antipodean

Having reviewed the video angles, the Citing Commissioner determined that there were mitigating factors which meant that the action did not meet the red card threshold, including the player being illegally prevented from re-joining the play by Scotland’s Peter Horne and the moderate force of the strike to the side of the head.

So headbutting someone as a retaliatory action now isn't a red card? What the flying fuck is wrong with World Rugby it employs these retards as citing commissioners?

Nepia

@antipodean said in 2018 November Internationals:

Having reviewed the video angles, the Citing Commissioner determined that there were mitigating factors which meant that the action did not meet the red card threshold, including the player being illegally prevented from re-joining the play by Scotland’s Peter Horne and the moderate force of the strike to the side of the head.

So headbutting someone as a retaliatory action now isn't a red card? What the flying fuck is wrong with World Rugby it employs these retards as citing commissioners?

You seem surprised that WR law makers seem to make it up on the fly? For the past few years taking someone out in the air has been a card (and more often than not a red card) yet now it's deemed a penalty only.

Stargazer

The Barbarians are - as usual - dripfeeding their squad for the game against Argentina (2 December NZT), but finally, there's a Kiwi in the team: Wyatt Crockett! Really awesome that the big man gets to finish his international career playing for the Barbarians; he has never played for them before.

taniwharugby

Interesting stats posted by Yalden, especially when you look at total games played, France most in NH and Aus most overall.

I do love a good #StatOnASunday, so as the sun sets on the 2018 international season (photo pun) here’s the win loss records of the Rugby Championship nations, Home Unions & France in 2018 (in order of last weeks World Rugby Rankings)

🇳🇿️New Zealand - 12 wins 2 losses

🇮🇪️Ireland - 11 wins 1 loss

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿Wales - 10 wins 2 losses

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿England - 6 wins 6 losses

🇿🇦️South Africa – 7 wins 7 losses

🇦🇺️Australia – 4 wins 13 losses

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿Scotland – 7 wins 5 losses

🇫🇷️France – 3 wins 10 losses (playing Fiji as I post)

🇦🇷️Argentina – 2 wins 12 losses
That’s all 🤓

Stargazer

I have a hunch. Jordan Taufua to play for the Barbarians v Argentina.

Rapido

@taniwharugby said in 2018 November Internationals:

Interesting stats posted by Yalden, especially when you look at total games played, France most in NH and Aus most overall.

I do love a good #StatOnASunday, so as the sun sets on the 2018 international season (photo pun) here’s the win loss records of the Rugby Championship nations, Home Unions & France in 2018 (in order of last weeks World Rugby Rankings)

🇳🇿️New Zealand - 12 wins 2 losses

🇮🇪️Ireland - 11 wins 1 loss

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿Wales - 10 wins 2 losses

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿England - 6 wins 6 losses

🇿🇦️South Africa – 7 wins 7 losses

🇦🇺️Australia – 4 wins 13 losses

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿Scotland – 7 wins 5 losses

🇫🇷️France – 3 wins 10 losses (playing Fiji as I post)

🇦🇷️Argentina – 2 wins 12 losses
That’s all 🤓

I don't think those are correct. Australia haven't played 17 tests this year. They've played 13.

Stargazer

Jordan Taufua will indeed play for the Barbarians against Argentina. The squad mostly consists of South Africans, which is not surprising with Erasmus as the coach. He has, however, included a lot of current Springboks. That's a bit odd (and disappointing), I think, because isn't it tradition to invite mostly former or fringe test players? This is basically a "current Springboks + a few others" team. Hopefully, we'll still get to see a Barbarians style of rugby.

Taufua and Debreczeni are the non-capped players.

Barbarians squad

Backs

Tomasso Benvenuti (Benetton & Italy)
Damian de Allende (Stormers & South Africa)
Jack Debreczeni (Chiefs)
Aphiwe Dyanti (Lions & South Africa)
Tom English (Rebels & Australia)
Leon Fukofuka (Auckland & Tonga)
Elton Jantjies (Lions & South Africa)
Jesse Kriel (Bulls & South Africa)
Frank Lomani (Rebels & Fiji)
Handre Pollard (Bulls & South Africa)

Forwards
Schalk Brits (Stormers & South Africa)
Wyatt Crockett (Crusaders & New Zealand)
Lood de Jager (Bulls & South Africa)
Pieter-Steph du Toit (Stormers & South Africa)
Luke Jones (Bordeaux Begles & Australia)
Steven Kitshoff (Stormers & South Africa)
Siya Kolisi (Stormers & South Africa)
Juan Manuel Leguizamon (Jaguares & Argentina)
Malcolm Marx (Lions & South Africa)
Alexandre Menini (Lyon & France)
Trevor Nayakane (Bulls & South Africa)
Sikhumbuzo Notshe (Stormers & South Africa)
Jordan Taufua (Crusaders)

http://www.barbarianfc.co.uk/news/rising-world-stars-dyanti-and-marx-included-in-squad-to-face-pumas/

sparky

@stargazer

Lots and lots and lots of Saffas. Not really an international Barbarians XV. It's a shame not to see more Wallabies and All Blacks in there.

Stargazer

@sparky Yep, that's what I said.

Last year, the Deans and Robertson coached squad included a lot of Kiwis, but they were not current test players and that game was played before the November window. This one is after the November window, so a lot more players would have been available. I don't know why he picked so many current Springboks; it's disappointing. Hopefully we still get to see a free flowing Baabaas style of rugby, with some original, crazy moves.

Bovidae

The SA players will be wanting the match payments.

Nepia

@stargazer said in 2018 November Internationals:

, I think, because isn't it tradition to invite mostly former or fringe test players?

I don't think this was ever tradition, it was just about the best squad that they could pull in - some Baabaas squads in the past have basically been the Lions.

taniwharugby

@nepia said in 2018 November Internationals:

ould pull in - some Baabaas squads in the past have basically been the Lions.

think they always included an uncapped player as a tradition.

Nepia

@taniwharugby said in 2018 November Internationals:

@nepia said in 2018 November Internationals:

ould pull in - some Baabaas squads in the past have basically been the Lions.

think they always included an uncapped player as a tradition.

Yep, I think that's been the one nailed on tradition.

The Silver Fern

2018 November Internationals