All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC
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@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
I'll give my opinion on a few of them based on what I have seen.
Michael Allardice - Average
Mitchell Dunshea - Looks good and will only get better in the Crusaders
Tom Franklin - Good player, I like his style and mostly consistent.
Josh Goodhue - Average. Could do better at another franchise but would benefit from more game time.
Laghlan McWhannell - Looked good at NPC level. Needs game time at Super level.
Pari Pari Parkinson - Massive unit. Hopefully develops well. Needs more game time.
Luke Romano - Consistent performer. A good option.
Scot Scrafton - Will benefit with the (rumoured) team change. Looks good though.
Isaia Walker-Leawere - Decent player. Maybe not big enough?
The latter is 1.97m / 128 kg so I would rather ask "Maybe not tall enough ?"
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@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Yeetyaah I've obviously seen a bit of Dickson and I think he looks like he has the goods, like Franklin he's a bit undertall though.
Franklin is listed at 1.99m
shark you've been around the fern long enough to know "listed" heights are quite often plucked out of someones arse.
Daniel Braid and Jerome Kaino definitely stood on bricks when they were measured.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Yeetyaah I've obviously seen a bit of Dickson and I think he looks like he has the goods, like Franklin he's a bit undertall though.
Franklin is listed at 1.99m
shark you've been around the fern long enough to know "listed" heights are quite often plucked out of someones arse.
Daniel Braid and Jerome Kaino definitely stood on bricks when they were measured.
The Highlanders list him at 2m. Wikipedia at 1.99m. All Blacks.com at 1.97. So I’ll defer to the median.
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@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@MN5 said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Yeetyaah I've obviously seen a bit of Dickson and I think he looks like he has the goods, like Franklin he's a bit undertall though.
Franklin is listed at 1.99m
shark you've been around the fern long enough to know "listed" heights are quite often plucked out of someones arse.
Daniel Braid and Jerome Kaino definitely stood on bricks when they were measured.
The Highlanders list him at 2m. Wikipedia at 1.99m. All Blacks.com at 1.97. So I’ll defer to the median.
True, they're not all Robert Wadlows.
We all tend to slouch late in the day.
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@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Yeetyaah I've obviously seen a bit of Dickson and I think he looks like he has the goods, like Franklin he's a bit undertall though.
Franklin is listed at 1.99m
Yep, many seem unimpressed with sub 2m. Not me, but our 2 current blokes are easily above this.
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@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Yeetyaah I've obviously seen a bit of Dickson and I think he looks like he has the goods, like Franklin he's a bit undertall though.
Franklin is listed at 1.99m
Yep, many seem unimpressed with sub 2m. Not me, but our 2 current blokes are easily above this.
I think you need to have at least one bloke of the three in your 23, over 2m. Of course this can be influenced by the heights of your 6 and 8, but as a general rule.
In saying that, the 2017 Lions’ starting locks were only 1.96-1.98 or so.
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@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Yeetyaah I've obviously seen a bit of Dickson and I think he looks like he has the goods, like Franklin he's a bit undertall though.
Franklin is listed at 1.99m
Yep, many seem unimpressed with sub 2m. Not me, but our 2 current blokes are easily above this.
I think you need to have at least one bloke of the three in your 23, over 2m. Of course this can be influenced by the heights of your 6 and 8, but as a general rule.
In saying that, the 2017 Lions’ starting locks were only 1.96-1.98 or so.
If they win the lineout then who cares ?
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@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark I'm not that fussed by height, who's to say the shorter lock can't jump higher anyway?
If that were the case then why would we predominantly select guys around 2m?
Cos a good big guy is always better than a good little guy.......
unless it comes to painting bottom skirting boards.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark I'm not that fussed by height, who's to say the shorter lock can't jump higher anyway?
If that were the case then why would we predominantly select guys around 2m?
Cos a good big guy is always better than a good little guy.......
unless it comes to painting bottom skirting boards.
Starting reading that last sentence and wondered where you were heading...
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@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark I'm not that fussed by height, who's to say the shorter lock can't jump higher anyway?
If that were the case then why would we predominantly select guys around 2m?
Look I don't know what argument you're looking for here, but good point. Why aren't we regularly selecting all the sub 2m locks that are a million times better than our taller ones?
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Whitelock-Retallick
It's like finding the new Richard Hadlee. You just ain't gonna.
But you'd have thought that about Jack-Williams, Whetton-Pierce, Whitelock-Thorn.
I do think there will be some rebuilding post 2019, and not just at lock.
And whilst I haven't looked that their dimensions I'm hoping IWL, McWhannel and Scrafton develop.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Yeetyaah I've obviously seen a bit of Dickson and I think he looks like he has the goods, like Franklin he's a bit undertall though.
Franklin is listed at 1.99m
Yep, many seem unimpressed with sub 2m. Not me, but our 2 current blokes are easily above this.
I think you need to have at least one bloke of the three in your 23, over 2m. Of course this can be influenced by the heights of your 6 and 8, but as a general rule.
In saying that, the 2017 Lions’ starting locks were only 1.96-1.98 or so.
If they win the lineout then who cares ?
Being tall and having very long arms is also an advantage when you have to counter a maul. You don't see too many 1.80 m forwards going through and over the opposition's maul to block the last holder of the ball and thus winning a turnover.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@MN5 said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Yeetyaah I've obviously seen a bit of Dickson and I think he looks like he has the goods, like Franklin he's a bit undertall though.
Franklin is listed at 1.99m
Yep, many seem unimpressed with sub 2m. Not me, but our 2 current blokes are easily above this.
I think you need to have at least one bloke of the three in your 23, over 2m. Of course this can be influenced by the heights of your 6 and 8, but as a general rule.
In saying that, the 2017 Lions’ starting locks were only 1.96-1.98 or so.
If they win the lineout then who cares ?
Being tall and having very long arms is also an advantage when you have to counter a maul. You don't see too many 1.80 m forwards going through and over the opposition's maul to block the last holder of the ball and thus winning a turnover.
No but you see blockbusters like Kaino fighting their way through the crowd to do the same.
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@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark I'm not that fussed by height, who's to say the shorter lock can't jump higher anyway?
If that were the case then why would we predominantly select guys around 2m?
Look I don't know what argument you're looking for here, but good point. Why aren't we regularly selecting all the sub 2m locks that are a million times better than our taller ones?
You appeared to be making a case for shorter locks based on jumping ability being as effective as 2m + guys. So I made the point that the ABs these days predominantly select 2m + guys. If it were true that jumping ability trumps height, then surely we wouldn't see them go for as many guys at 2m or taller.
Since 2002, off the top of my head:
Jack
Williams
Eaton
Ryan
Whitlock
Retallick
BirdAnd I'd say between them Williams, Jack, Eaton, Whitelock and Retallick have started the vast majority of tests in that period. Plenty of sub 2m guys have also played tests for sure, but I'd say only Brad Thorn started a good number.
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@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@Bones said in All Blacks locking stocks post 2019 RWC:
@shark I'm not that fussed by height, who's to say the shorter lock can't jump higher anyway?
If that were the case then why would we predominantly select guys around 2m?
Look I don't know what argument you're looking for here, but good point. Why aren't we regularly selecting all the sub 2m locks that are a million times better than our taller ones?
You appeared to be making a case for shorter locks based on jumping ability being as effective as 2m + guys. So I made the point that the ABs these days predominantly select 2m + guys. If it were true that jumping ability trumps height, then surely we wouldn't see them go for as many guys at 2m or taller.
Since 2002, off the top of my head:
Jack
Williams
Eaton
Ryan
Whitlock
Retallick
BirdAnd I'd say between them Williams, Jack, Eaton, Whitelock and Retallick have started the vast majority of tests in that period. Plenty of sub 2m guys have also played tests for sure, but I'd say only Brad Thorn started a good number.
I wasn't making a case for anything.
