QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs
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@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@Jaguares4real
Crusaders have 16 All Blacks in matchday 23
Only 16? Not if I were an AB selector
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@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@Jaguares4real can you please address the reasons Scotland beat Argentina twice last year ?
I'm a big fan but my heritage prevents me forking out for sky. I'm actually typing this with a beanie on cos I don't like big heating bills.
Because in the 1st game ARG were in autopilot mode
One of most gutless examples of not giving a fuck, no intensity or desire to defend
HC Daniel Hourcade was leaving Players didn't play for him and results showed that
Check out Los Pumas results from after 2015 RWC to 2018 June Matches
2 years of futility and incompetence
2nd game in E'burgh was a close game either side could have won Meh
Both sides are of a similar quality
I'd also state that Pumas historically have tended to treat test matches like friendlies
Attitudes has not always been the most serious for non RWC games or TRC
See RWC 2007 2011 2015 for comparisons
Finally I'd add Jaguares players not being rotated for first 3 seasons of SR leading to playing being absolutely shattered for EOYT was also a contributing factor
Hence players took positions for granted
No young people were developed or utilised
General malaise set into ARG rugby
Bearing in ARG has a diabolical travel schedule every year
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@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@Jaguares4real can you please address the reasons Scotland beat Argentina twice last year ?
I'm a big fan but my heritage prevents me forking out for sky. I'm actually typing this with a beanie on cos I don't like big heating bills.
Because in the 1st game ARG were in autopilot mode
One of most gutless examples of not giving a fuck, no intensity or desire to defend
HC Daniel Hourcade was leaving Players didn't play for him and results showed that
Check out Los Pumas results from after 2015 RWC to 2018 June Matches
2 years of futility and incompetence
2nd game in E'burgh was a close game either side could have won Meh
Both sides are of a similar quality
I'd also state that Pumas historically have tended to treat test matches like friendlies
Attitudes has not always been the most serious for non RWC games or TRC
See RWC 2007 2011 2015 for comparisons
Finally I'd add Jaguares players not being rotated for first 3 seasons of SR leading to playing being absolutely shattered for EOYT was also a contributing factor
Hence players took positions for granted
No young people were developed or utilised
General malaise set into ARG rugby
Bearing in ARG has a diabolical travel schedule every year
I would've settled for Scotland were better but thanks for the deep thought involved in this post.
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@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
"I would've settled for Scotland were better but thanks for the deep thought involved in this post"
Well done SCO won a meaningless game in ARG vs a side who'd checked out & a close 2nd match in E'burgh
Los Pumas care about TRC + RWC That what's counts
I'd be more concerned with state of Juniors rugby in Scotland
U20 side had the disgrace of being 1st Home Nations side to be relegated to 2nd division
Their team was rather shite but hey lets celebrate two wins of little value & ignore the parlous state of junior rugby in Scotland
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@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
"I would've settled for Scotland were better but thanks for the deep thought involved in this post"
Well done SCO won a meaningless game in ARG vs a side who'd checked out & a close 2nd match in E'burgh
Los Pumas care about TRC + RWC That what's counts
I'd be more concerned with state of Juniors rugby in Scotland
U20 side had the disgrace of being 1st Home Nations side to be relegated to 2nd division
Their team was rather shite but hey lets celebrate two wins of little value & ignore the parlous state of junior rugby in Scotland
Wouldn't have thought so judging by the results and being 10th ranked in the world does your arguement no favours either.
Can you make sure you post on here whether or not Argentina have "checked out" prior to each game they play ? will make tipping the results much easier.
Mucho Gracias.
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As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you
Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:
A. Meaningless
B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies
There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months
Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018
As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019
You now have two formidable coaches who've been successful in many spots across the world Two guys who don't fuck about & have clout with the players
Let see how Los Pumas get on this season
Jagaures have shown there's a lot to like so far this season
Player development & utilisation has been brilliant so far this year
Players being rotated so they can perform at peak performance levels
Times are changing
Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game
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@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you
Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:
A. Meaningless
B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies
I'm ignoring the latter part of your post as it has little to do with your comment ...
Los Pumas care about TRC + RWC That what's counts
and @MN5 s reply...
Wouldn't have thought so judging by the results and being 10th ranked in the world
IF Los Pumas cared about RWCs and TRC while not caring about 'friendlies' their ranking would be higher than 10. It would come from performing against top sides and during a double points period.
No question that they are on the up now and trucking nicely, but trying to explain away losses and low rankings with an argument of 'they save themselves for when it matters' holds no water at all.
To explain it clearly let's say they won more than one game against tier one opposition at RWC 2015. They would have had a start of this cycle well up the rankings. Performances better than 3 wins out of 18 TRC matches in this cycle would have maintained some healthiness.
I get your other points but @MN5 s comment was bang on and not obtuse OR dense.
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@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you
Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:
A. Meaningless
B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies
There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months
Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018
As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019
You now have two formidable coaches who've been successful in many spots across the world Two guys who don't fuck about & have clout with the players
Let see how Los Pumas get on this season
Jagaures have shown there's a lot to like so far this season
Player development & utilisation has been brilliant so far this year
Players being rotated so they can perform at peak performance levels
Times are changing
Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game
Says who ?
I have a feeling the ABs would be mighty pissed off if they lost the number one ranking.
Scotlands two victories both came in the last 18 months.
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@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you
Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:
A. Meaningless
B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies
There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months
Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018
As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019
Times are changing
Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game
Says who ?
I have a feeling the ABs would be mighty pissed off if they lost the number one ranking.
Scotlands two victories both came in the last 18 months.
ABs are a different animal They've been #1 for most of the Professional Era
Pumas have no interest TBH in rankings You can play mickey mouse teams & pick up points
SCO victories whilst nice are ultimately meaningless long term
RWC is the objective & as I've stated already Pumas were still getting their shit together
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@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you
Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:
A. Meaningless
B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies
There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months
Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018
As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019
Times are changing
Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game
Says who ?
I have a feeling the ABs would be mighty pissed off if they lost the number one ranking.
Scotlands two victories both came in the last 18 months.
ABs are a different animal They've been #1 for most of the Professional Era
Pumas have no interest TBH in rankings You can play mickey mouse teams & pick up points
SCO victories whilst nice are ultimately meaningless long term
RWC is the objective & as I've stated already Pumas were still getting their shit together
No you can't. Not materially anyway.
I think you best go and research how the rankings points work.
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@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you
Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:
A. Meaningless
B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies
There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months
Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018
As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019
Times are changing
Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game
Says who ?
I have a feeling the ABs would be mighty pissed off if they lost the number one ranking.
Scotlands two victories both came in the last 18 months.
ABs are a different animal They've been #1 for most of the Professional Era
Pumas have no interest TBH in rankings You can play mickey mouse teams & pick up points
**SCO victories whilst nice are ultimately meaningless long term
RWC is the objective & as I've stated already Pumas were still getting their shit together**
OK, well in that case hopefully all international matches between World Cups are called off. What's the point in them ?
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@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you
Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:
A. Meaningless
B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies
There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months
Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018
As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019
Times are changing
Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game
Says who ?
I have a feeling the ABs would be mighty pissed off if they lost the number one ranking.
Scotlands two victories both came in the last 18 months.
ABs are a different animal They've been #1 for most of the Professional Era
Pumas have no interest TBH in rankings You can play mickey mouse teams & pick up points
**SCO victories whilst nice are ultimately meaningless long term
RWC is the objective & as I've stated already Pumas were still getting their shit together**
OK, well in that case hopefully all international matches between World Cups are called off. What's the point in them ?
That's the day that I lose a lot of interest in the international game. I absolutely hate the idea of 'friendlies'
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@Crucial said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you
Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:
A. Meaningless
B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies
There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months
Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018
As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019
Times are changing
Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game
Says who ?
I have a feeling the ABs would be mighty pissed off if they lost the number one ranking.
Scotlands two victories both came in the last 18 months.
ABs are a different animal They've been #1 for most of the Professional Era
Pumas have no interest TBH in rankings You can play mickey mouse teams & pick up points
**SCO victories whilst nice are ultimately meaningless long term
RWC is the objective & as I've stated already Pumas were still getting their shit together**
OK, well in that case hopefully all international matches between World Cups are called off. What's the point in them ?
That's the day that I lose a lot of interest in the international game. I absolutely hate the idea of 'friendlies'
Some of the soccer countries are starting to refer to them as Friendlies.
Like hell they're Friendlies. They're Test Matches.
I blame Pichot (and Deans)
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@booboo said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@Crucial said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@MN5 said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
@Jaguares4real said in QF 3: Jaguares v Chiefs:
As you want to be wilfully obtuse/dense I'll break it down for you
Fact that ARG are 10th in rankings is:
A. Meaningless
B. Linked to their lack of intensity for Test matches they consider friendlies
There's been ALOT of changes to ARG in last 18 months
Ledesma going from Jaguares HC to Pumas HC in 2018
As well as Quesada now being the Jaguares HC in 2019
Times are changing
Pumas have woken up from their lethargy & incompetence at all levels of the game
Says who ?
I have a feeling the ABs would be mighty pissed off if they lost the number one ranking.
Scotlands two victories both came in the last 18 months.
ABs are a different animal They've been #1 for most of the Professional Era
Pumas have no interest TBH in rankings You can play mickey mouse teams & pick up points
**SCO victories whilst nice are ultimately meaningless long term
RWC is the objective & as I've stated already Pumas were still getting their shit together**
OK, well in that case hopefully all international matches between World Cups are called off. What's the point in them ?
That's the day that I lose a lot of interest in the international game. I absolutely hate the idea of 'friendlies'
Some of the soccer countries are starting to refer to them as Friendlies.
Like hell they're Friendlies. They're Test Matches.
I blame Pichot (and Deans)
they are referred to as ''friendlies" by shit teams who lose a lot
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