2019 Rugby World Cup

mikedogz

NTA

There has been a bit of chat here and on social media about the turnaround time for Fiji affecting their performance against Uruguay. I did the quick figures (I sit to be corrected) based on the 3 intervals:

MIN() turnaround days in pool stage:
4-day (13): Argentina, England, Fiji, France, Georgia, Italy, New Zealand, Russia, Scotland, South Africa, Uruguay, USA, Wales
5-day (4): Canada, Ireland, Namibia, Samoa
6-day (2): Aust, Tonga
7-day (1): Japan

MAX() turnaround days in pool stage:
11-day (2): France, New Zealand
10-day (1): Wales
9-day (4): England, Ireland, Russia, Scotland
8-day (8): Aust, Fiji, Georgia, Italy, Japan, Namibia, Tonga, Uruguay
7-day (4): Argentina, Samoa, South Africa, USA
6-day (1): Canada

AVG() turnaround days in pool stage (rounded):
8-day (1): Japan
7-day (9): France, New Zealand, Scotland, Tonga, Australia, England, Ireland, Italy, Wales
6-day (10): Namibia, Russia, Argentina, Fiji, Georgia, Samoa, Uruguay, Canada, South Africa, USA

Tough pool for Canada and a tough draw to boot.

Could really say the Wallabies have the best draw with minimum 6 day turnaround, maximum 8, and average 7.

dogmeat

@NTA said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

Could really say the Wallabies have the best draw with minimum 6 day turnaround, maximum 8, and average 7.

Good to see World Rugby following through on their promise not to see the minnows disadvantaged....

Bones

@dogmeat said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@NTA said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

Could really say the Wallabies have the best draw with minimum 6 day turnaround, maximum 8, and average 7.

Good to see World Rugby following through on their promise not to see the minnows disadvantaged....

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Billy Webb

@NTA said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

There has been a bit of chat here and on social media about the turnaround time for Fiji affecting their performance against Uruguay. I did the quick figures (I sit to be corrected) based on the 3 intervals:

MIN() turnaround days in pool stage:
4-day (13): Argentina, England, Fiji, France, Georgia, Italy, New Zealand, Russia, Scotland, South Africa, Uruguay, USA, Wales
5-day (4): Canada, Ireland, Namibia, Samoa
6-day (2): Aust, Tonga
7-day (1): Japan

MAX() turnaround days in pool stage:
11-day (2): France, New Zealand
10-day (1): Wales
9-day (4): England, Ireland, Russia, Scotland
8-day (8): Aust, Fiji, Georgia, Italy, Japan, Namibia, Tonga, Uruguay
7-day (4): Argentina, Samoa, South Africa, USA
6-day (1): Canada

AVG() turnaround days in pool stage (rounded):
8-day (1): Japan
7-day (9): France, New Zealand, Scotland, Tonga, Australia, England, Ireland, Italy, Wales
6-day (10): Namibia, Russia, Argentina, Fiji, Georgia, Samoa, Uruguay, Canada, South Africa, USA

Tough pool for Canada and a tough draw to boot.

Could really say the Wallabies have the best draw with minimum 6 day turnaround, maximum 8, and average 7.

Nice work NTA.
I note SA falls into the kak turnaround camp. Both on minimum and average. But I don't really see an issue. (Note: if we lose to Italy it is of course all going to be blamed on the short turnaround )

Glad World Rugby have made it a lot fairer than it used to be.

NTA

@dogmeat said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@NTA said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

Could really say the Wallabies have the best draw with minimum 6 day turnaround, maximum 8, and average 7.

Good to see World Rugby following through on their promise not to see the minnows disadvantaged....

Until we have even number of teams in each pool, this is the way it is.

If we get to 6 teams in 4 pools next RWC, it would help. Means 5 games for each squad minimum, too.

I'd still like to see a Plate competition to run with the Cup as well - top 8 play Cup QF. Next 4 go straight into Plate SF.

Billy Webb

@NTA said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@dogmeat said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@NTA said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

Could really say the Wallabies have the best draw with minimum 6 day turnaround, maximum 8, and average 7.

Good to see World Rugby following through on their promise not to see the minnows disadvantaged....

Until we have even number of teams in each pool, this is the way it is.

If we get to 6 teams in 4 pools next RWC, it would help. Means 5 games for each squad minimum, too.

I'd still like to see a Plate competition to run with the Cup as well - top 8 play Cup QF. Next 4 go straight into Plate SF.

I'd definitely be in favour of something like that. If you're Canada, or Namibia etc. it keeps you with something to play for.

Bones

@NTA said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@dogmeat said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@NTA said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

Could really say the Wallabies have the best draw with minimum 6 day turnaround, maximum 8, and average 7.

Good to see World Rugby following through on their promise not to see the minnows disadvantaged....

Until we have even number of teams in each pool, this is the way it is.

If we get to 6 teams in 4 pools next RWC, it would help. Means 5 games for each squad minimum, too.

I'd still like to see a Plate competition to run with the Cup as well - top 8 play Cup QF. Next 4 go straight into Plate SF.

Yeah seems win-win doesn't it? Fans get more to watch, more games to go to. Hosts get more people sticking around, more tickets sold. Players get something to look forward to even after they've lost their first 2 matches.

TeWaio

Yeah LOVE the idea of a plate competition. Makes getting 3rd in the pool more meaningful, esp if there are 6 teams per pool in future WCs which I hope there will be. Also it gives lower ranked teams a taste of knockout World Cup rugby which is super exciting.

And as it's straight to SF, its one week further advanced in scheduling tyhan the main knockouts, i.e. two plate SFs on the same weekend as the four cup QFs, then the plate final the weekend of the cup SFs. That way the cup final and cup 3rd/4th games are the only matches on the final weekend which is as it should be, no distractions. I'd do away with the idea of a plate 3rd/4th playoff tho.

Bones

@TeWaio another one which popped into my head while reading your post - also more work/experience for the officials, which cannot be a bad thing.

TeWaio

@Bones Yep, and if there was meaningful prize money attached to the plate, then it could be a decent windfall for whichever (likely minor) union won it. Imagine if one of the PI teams were able to pay their players a sizeable win bonus that came with the plate over and above their usual match fees for a WC?

Also in 2015 you would have had the comedy situation of hosts England playing Japan in one plate semi, and Georgia vs Italy in the other.

NTA

In this scenario I'd do a with 3v4 playoff. It sucks

Bovidae

The WR sevens series has their 2-tiered playoff system so the teams that don't finish 1st or 2nd in their pool are still involved in playoffs. Obviously tournament points are important so they need to rank all the teams, which is why the losing quarter-finalists also play each other to decide 5th-8th. But there is a precedent.

Billy Tell

As long as they keep the 3rd/4th playoff I’m happy.

taniwharugby

Is good there haven't been huge blowouts thus far...expect as we go into the final couple of pool games when some of the big guns face minnows injury and fatigue will take it's toll and we will likely see some of these big scores we usually do.

mariner4life

Just heard France v USA is in danger of being called off. That would be a disaster for France in that pool

MiketheSnow

@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

Just heard France v USA is in danger of being called off. That would be a disaster for France in that pool

Weather? Or pitch? Or both?

Higgins

@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

Just heard France v USA is in danger of being called off. That would be a disaster for France in that pool

Stadium run out of beer?

MiketheSnow

@Higgins said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

Just heard France v USA is in danger of being called off. That would be a disaster for France in that pool

Stadium run out of beer?

Stargazer

Rugby World Cup 2019: England could receive shock boost as Typhoon Mitag threatens France vs USA

England could receive a huge boost to their Rugby World Cup quarter-final hopes after it emerged that  Pool C rivals France could have their game against the United States on Wednesday abandoned.

World Rugby issued a statement on Sunday morning to confirm that both France and USA, who are due to meet in the city of Fukuoka next week, have been informed of contingency plans if the match is unable to go ahead. It’s expected that Typhoon Mitag, the 17th of the season in Japan, will see high winds and heavy rain batter the region as the week progresses.

According to the Japan Meteorological Agency, the Typhoon is moving towards a projected path that will see it miss the coastline, although World Rugby are still preparing for the worst should the tropical cyclone hit.

If the game is cancelled, World Rugby stipulates that France vs USA would be scored a 0-0 draw, meaning that the French would miss out on a potential five-point haul if they were to secure a bonus-point win, and instead take just two points from the match.

That would give Les Bleus a serious disadvantage to England, who have already take a maximum 10 points from their games against Tonga and the USA, and who face Argentina next Saturday before taking on France in ‘Le Crunch’.

A World Rugby statement said: “World Rugby and Japan Rugby 2019 are monitoring Typhoon Mitag, which is developing off the south west coast of Japan.

“Based on the latest information from our weather information provider and the Japan Meteorological Agency, the Typhoon could bring high winds and heavy rain to the southern island of Kyushu on 2 October, possibly impacting the France versus USA match at Fukuoka.

“The latest information indicates that the Typhoon is moving further away from Japan’s coastline than originally predicted, and the impact risk is reducing. However, in the best interests of the teams and the integrity of the tournament, we have informed France and the USA of the contingency plans in the event that adverse weather means that it is not possible to play the match in Fukuoka on the scheduled date.

“We will continue to closely monitor this developing situation in partnership with our weather information provider, local authorities, transport providers and the teams, and will provide a further update tomorrow. Fans are advised to monitor official Rugby World Cup channels for any updates.

“Fans visiting from outside Japan are reminded that while typhoons can vary in terms of strength and intensity, they are a normal occurrence in Japan and the vast majority have minimal impact on daily life.”

The Silver Fern

2019 Rugby World Cup