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<p>Um sure, it was all just made up by Fox News and the Republicans. Nothing to see here, lets move right along and pretend it didn't happen.<br><br>
Hey, I got a great quote too:<br><br>
"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."</p>
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<p>Pretend what happened, exactly? Do you even know? That you think her email server was illegal tells me you don't but if you've got a reputable source saying otherwise, I'd love to read it. Everything I've read has made it pretty obvious they're witch hunts and nothing more. They know they've got no chance against her in a fair fight, not while they're still towing the same far right shit from 2012 that successfully alienated minorities, women and the young.</p>
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<p>I'm not the biggest Clinton fan, she's too hawkish for my liking and is a pretty typical politician, but she's the only reasonable option of the current lineup (Sanders and O'Malley have no chance, the Republicans are all far right nutters who have no interests in minority or women's rights) and she would continue down the same course as the Obama administration. The most important part is that she'll appoint reasonable Supreme Court judges, who'll hopefully revert some of the more fucked up systemic things in the US ("corporations are people" and so on).</p> -
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;"></span></span></p><p></p><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">Pretend what happened, exactly? Do you even know? That you think her email server was illegal tells me you don't but if you've got a reputable source saying otherwise, I'd love to read it. <strong>Everything I've read has made it pretty obvious they're witch hunts and nothing more</strong>. They know they've got no chance against her in a fair fight, not while they're still towing the same far right shit from 2012 that successfully alienated minorities, women and the young. </blockquote>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">Really? The NYTimes isnt so sure about that: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html?_r=0'>http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html?_r=0</a></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">Even if there is dispute about whether or not what she did was strictly illegal, it was as dodgy as hell and seriously calls into question both her judgement and honesty. Simply labelling this as a storm in a tea cup and a desperate attempt to take out the unbeatable juggernaut that is Hillary is stretching it a bit. Had the shoe been on the other foot, I doubt you’d simply dismiss it as a witch hunt. In fact judging by your post, it’s pretty farking obvious that you’d be raging about it.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman';"></span></span></p><p></p><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">I'm not the biggest Clinton fan, she's too hawkish for my liking and is a pretty typical politician, but she's the only reasonable option of the current lineup (Sanders and O'Malley have no chance, the Republicans are all far right nutters <strong>who have no interests in minority or women's rights</strong>) and she would continue down the same course as the Obama administration. The most important part is that she'll appoint reasonable Supreme Court judges, who'll hopefully revert some of the more fucked up systemic things in the US ("corporations are people" and so on). </blockquote>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">Now that’s more than a little weird. In case you didn’t notice, Cruz and Rubio are Hispanic, Carson is black and Fiorina is a woman. Unless of course you believe the first three are uncle toms and Fiorina is somehow working against the sisterhood. In fact saying someone like Carson has no interest in minority rights is just plain farking stupid.</span></span></p> -
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<p>What's more they're American politicians.</p>
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<p>Being investigated by the media.</p>
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<p>What's more the American media.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">Really? The NYTimes isnt so sure about that: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html?_r=0'>http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html?_r=0</a></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">Even if there is dispute about whether or not what she did was strictly illegal, it was as dodgy as hell and seriously calls into question both her judgement and honesty. Simply labelling this as a storm in a tea cup and a desperate attempt to take out the unbeatable juggernaut that is Hillary is stretching it a bit. Had the shoe been on the other foot, I doubt you’d simply dismiss it as a witch hunt. In fact judging by your post, it’s pretty farking obvious that you’d be raging about it.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:calibri;">Now that’s more than a little weird. In case you didn’t notice, Cruz and Rubio are Hispanic, Carson is black and Fiorina is a woman. Unless of course you believe the first three are uncle toms and Fiorina is somehow working against the sisterhood. In fact saying someone like Carson has no interest in minority rights is just plain farking stupid.</span></span></p>
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<p>It was obviously a mistake to set up a private email server and she's admitted as much but there's nothing illegal there and if there were, I'm betting you'd have a better source than a fucking eight month old article from way back when the allegations were first being made and the Republicans were hoping to find a scandal. Then the emails were released, they went through them all and they found absolutely nothing.</p>
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<p>If I were to "rage" about it, I'd bring up the fact that Jeb Bush (and a number of other Republican candidates) did the exact same fucking thing:</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/16/politics/hillary-clinton-jeb-bush-email-2016/'>http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/16/politics/hillary-clinton-jeb-bush-email-2016/</a></p>
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<p>Worse, the emails Jeb Bush did release included personal information on thousands of Floridians (some of which included social security numbers):</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/10/8013531/jeb-bush-florida-email-dump-privacy'>http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/10/8013531/jeb-bush-florida-email-dump-privacy</a></p>
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<p>But I didn't because... (drumroll please) No-one gives a shit about any of these "scandals." Hillary isn't going to prison like the Republicans were hoping, she's still going to win the election by a comfortable margin and Republicans will continue to act like babies just like they have for the last eight years.</p>
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<p>Just because someone is part of a minority, that doesn't mean they campaign for them, especially when they're pandering to a far right, almost entirely white base. Cruz and Rubio are <em>Cuban</em>, a completely different demographic than the vast majority of Latino Americans. Carson has spoken out against Black Lives Matter and hasn't provided a single policy to address the issues. Fiorina has campaigned against Planned Parenthood, a pro-women organisation. The only Republican candidate who I don't think is insane is Kasich and even he's further right than most National MPs in NZ.</p>
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<p>most democrats are further right than most national mp's</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">It was obviously a mistake to set up a private email server and she's admitted as much but there's nothing illegal there and if there were, I'm betting you'd have a better source than a fucking eight month old article from way back when the allegations were first being made and the Republicans were hoping to find a scandal. Then the emails were released, they went through them all and they found absolutely nothing.</blockquote>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman';">The story was broken by a newspaper that hasn’t endorsed a Republican for president since Eisenhower. The fact that the story still has legs 8 months later indicates that this is not an insignificant matter. In any case, your claim that this whole thing is nothing but an attempt by the Republicans (presumably through their agents at the NY Times) to destroy unbeatable Hillary is more than a little unhinged. </span></span></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">If I were to "rage" about it, I'd bring up the fact that Jeb Bush (and a number of other Republican candidates) did the exact same fucking thing:
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/16/politics/hillary-clinton-jeb-bush-email-2016/' title="External link"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255);">http://edition.cnn.c...ush-email-2016/</span></span></span></a></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman';">Worse, the emails Jeb Bush did release included personal information on thousands of Floridians (some of which included social security numbers):</span></span></p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/10/8013531/jeb-bush-florida-email-dump-privacy' title="External link"><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman';"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255);">http://www.theverge....il-dump-privacy</span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman';"> </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman';">You seem pretty upset about it to me.</span></span></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">Just because someone is part of a minority, that doesn't mean they campaign for them, especially when they're pandering to a far right, almost entirely white base. Cruz and Rubio are <em>Cuban</em>, a completely different demographic than the vast majority of Latino Americans. Carson has spoken out against Black Lives Matter and hasn't provided a single policy to address the issues. Fiorina has campaigned against Planned Parenthood, a pro-women organisation. The only Republican candidate who I don't think is insane is Kasich and even he's further right than most National MPs in NZ.</blockquote>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman';">Oh I see, they’re <em>Cuban. </em>And not just that, <em>Republican Cubans. </em>They obviously don’t count as minorities and are just out to please their white masters. Fuck that’s twisted.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman';">So despite helping God knows how many minority kids through his foundation and other endeavours, Carson speaking out against Black Lives Matter means he doesn’t care about black people? And Fiorina doesn’t care about women because she doesn’t like Planned Parenthood? Are you even aware of the philanthropic work she’s done? No of course not, because Republicans = baaaaaaaaaaaaaad. </span></span></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">Well yeah, pretty much. Reagan really fucked that country up.</blockquote>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman';">Yep it was Ronald Raygun wot done it. You really are a fucking parody.</span></span></p> -
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;">Everything I've read has made it pretty obvious they're witch hunts and nothing more. </span></p>
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<p>Yeah, that's why the FBI is investigating. cough<br>
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<p>Rand Paul, flying under the radar after pretty much dooming his campaign by signing Tom Cotton's ignorant letter and then fighting Obama's Iran nuke deal (his Dad publicly admitted both were really-really dumb ideas) had a surprisingly good evening at last nights' GOP debate.</p>
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<p>He scored one good blow by schooling Donald Trump that contrary to his ignorance, China isn't a part of the TPP deal.</p>
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<p>And he clocked Marco Rubio as a BIG GOVERNMENT spender.</p>
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<p>Not sure it'll do Paul much good, but those black eyes against two of the supposed front-runners could have some lasting damage with voters.</p>
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<p>UPDATE:</p>
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<p>Looks like some mainstreamers noticed too.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"> <strong><span style="font-family:georgia, serif;"><span style="font-size:24px;">Rand Paul Shuts Down Donald Trump, Moderators, and Commercial Breaks</span></span></strong>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'VF-Didot-3', Georgia, 'Times New Roman', times, serif;font-size:22px;">This is how you do it.</span></p>
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<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', times, 'serif false';font-size:18px;"><span style="font-size:14px;">A little more than an hour into Tuesday night’s G.O.P. presidential primary debate, most of the Republican hopefuls were ready for a commercial break. Most of the moderators were, too. So were the majority of viewers, and certainly, the advertisers who paid a pretty penny for their spots to air.</span></p>
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<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', times, 'serif false';font-size:18px;"><span style="font-size:14px;">But <span style="font-weight:700;">Rand Paul</span> and debate moderator and <em>Wall Street Journal</em> editor <span style="font-weight:700;">Gerard Baker</span> had another idea.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman';">The story was broken by a newspaper that hasn’t endorsed a Republican for president since Eisenhower. The fact that the story still has legs 8 months later indicates that this is not an insignificant matter. In any case, your claim that this whole thing is nothing but an attempt by the Republicans (presumably through their agents at the NY Times) to destroy unbeatable Hillary is more than a little unhinged. </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman';">You seem pretty upset about it to me.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman';">Oh I see, they’re <em>Cuban. </em>And not just that, <em>Republican Cubans. </em>They obviously don’t count as minorities and are just out to please their white masters. Fuck that’s twisted.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman';">So despite helping God knows how many minority kids through his foundation and other endeavours, Carson speaking out against Black Lives Matter means he doesn’t care about black people? And Fiorina doesn’t care about women because she doesn’t like Planned Parenthood? Are you even aware of the philanthropic work she’s done? No of course not, because Republicans = baaaaaaaaaaaaaad. </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;"><span style="font-family:'times new roman';">Yep it was Ronald Raygun wot done it. You really are a fucking parody.</span></span></p>
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<p>Ah, of course, because if a story has legs for more than 8 months, it's an important story. Just like Obama's birth certificate, right?</p>
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<p>Upset? No, just annoyed at your Winger-like arguments. Who cares about facts when you've got things like "a story has legs for 8 months, it MUST be true!"</p>
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<p>Oh fuck off, they're obviously minorities but that doesn't mean they support the rights of a completely different group of minorities nor does it even mean they support the rights of their own minority group. Shocking news: Brown people aren't all exactly the same. Regardless, the fact is that if you look at Rubio and Cruz positions, they both have been opponents of immigration reform, so yeah, I'd say they don't care about minority rights in comparison to the democrats.</p>
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<p>Carson's foundation? You mean his Scholars Fund? What do they have to do with minorities? They don't specialise on helping minorities, so for all we know they could be awarding 99% of those to white kids. And what "other endeavours" are you talking about? Seems like you're clutching at straws to me.</p>
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<p>I didn't say she doesn't care about women, I said she doesn't care about women's rights. Don't put words into my mouth. And regardless of her philanthropic work, attacking Planned Parenthood tells everyone exactly where she's aligned.</p>
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<p>Yup, the Republicans are fucking awful.</p>
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<p>I'm a fucking parody? This coming from the guy who whined about CNN digging into Ben Carson's past by bringing up fucking Benghazi and Emails?</p>
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<p>It's stretching things to say Reagon is responsible for all that's wrong with the states, it's like saying Muldoon or Lange are responsible for whatever you think is wrong with Nz. There's been a lot of water under the bridge since he left including two two term democratic presidents .</p>
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<p>It's an exaggeration because there's a lot wrong with that country but I'd definitely give most of the responsibility for moving the US so far right to him. You bring up the two two term democratic presidents but the entire reason why Clinton called himself a "New Democrat" was because they had to realign the Democratic party to the right to compete in a post-Reagan political environment. Obama was a bit of a change and has tried to improve things but it's slow going with a House and Senate who are more interested in sabotaging him than running the country. I think things will improve eventually but it's just going to take a while.</p>
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<p>Yeah, that's why the FBI is investigating. cough<br>
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<p>Maybe you should broaden your political reading beyond the Huffington Post...?</p>
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<p>You might want to broaden your political reading beyond sites that a. don't know the difference between a FBI investigation and a FBI review (which FYI, was requested by the State department, who were arguing that they weren't classified) and b. That the emails were sent TO Hillary, so even if they were classified, she wouldn't have been at fault for them. Regardless, the last we heard on that story was that it was nothing:</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-email-no-highly-classified-215599'>http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-email-no-highly-classified-215599</a></p>
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<p>It's an exaggeration because there's a lot wrong with that country but I'd definitely give most of the responsibility for moving the US so far right to him. You bring up the two two term democratic presidents but the entire reason why Clinton called himself a "New Democrat" was because they had to realign the Democratic party to the right to compete in a post-Reagan political environment. Obama was a bit of a change and has tried to improve things but it's slow going with a House and Senate who are more interested in sabotaging him than running the country. I think things will improve eventually but it's just going to take a while.</p>
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<p>I'm more of a fan of Carter than Reagan but Its worth taking a look at the state the US was in before Reagan took over . Its similar to poms bitching about Thatcher and forgetting what a shithole the uk had turned into.</p> -
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<p>Regardless, the last we heard on that story was that it was nothing:</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-email-no-highly-classified-215599'>http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-email-no-highly-classified-215599</a></p>
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<p>Amazing to think a person can meticulously scrub out a locker and then conduct their own investigation into the cleanliness of same said locker, and then declare, "Looksie-- Nuttin' to see here!!"</p>
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<p>Just like there was nuttin' on the misisng 18-1/2 minutes of tape that Nixon's secretary accidentally deleted from Watergate, either. "Oopsie!" They reviewed and gave us their word none of it was of any importance, so it Must Be True.</p>
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<p>Totally believable. All the more so, 'cos politicians never lie.</p> -
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<p>No conflict here. Never mentioned in Dem debates either.</p>
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<p>She did however tell Bernie Sanders she is proud to take all of Wall Street's money <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/opinion/hillary-clinton-botches-wall-street-questions.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0'>'cos... 9/11</a>.</p> -
<p>RT, I'm assuming that donating to the Clinton Foundation is not the same as donating to Hillary's election campaign?</p>
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<p>RT, I'm assuming that donating to the Clinton Foundation is not the same as donating to Hillary's election campaign?</p>
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<p>See:</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:18px;"><strong><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/america-s-allies-are-funding-isis.html'>Double Dealing</a></strong></span></p>
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<div><span style="font-size:24px;">America's Allies Are Funding ISIS</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), now threatening Baghdad, was funded for years by wealthy donors in Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, three U.S. allies that have dual agendas in the war on terror.</span></div>
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<div>This is why the official report on the 9/11 attack on WTC gets a 28-page redaction -- because we wouldn't want to finger-point or offend the people who finance these terrorist operations, because these financiers are our "dear friends" and contribute campaign cash to the election.</div> -
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<div>This is why the official report on the 9/11 attack on WTC gets a 28-page redaction -- because we wouldn't want to finger-point or offend the people who finance these terrorist operations, because these financiers are our "dear friends" and <strong>contribute campaign cash to the election</strong>.</div>
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<p>The bolded bit is the thing. Surely the foundation is a quasi charitable enterprise and not financially linked to Hillary's campaign?</p>
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<p>None of the other stuff surprises me really. The idea of normal relationships in the ME went out of the window decades ago, if it ever existed. Far too many vested interests and it's amazing that someone (or some country) that is mutually aligned with our (or the US, or Europe, or Russia) interests latterly becomes part of a much wider problem. Fuck knows what the answer is - and that's the thing really, the whole region is pretty fucked up by our standards and then we come along and fuck it up a bit more every few years.</p>
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