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@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
@mofitzy_ said in NH International Rugby:
Wales coach Wayne Pivac has named New Zealand-born backs Johnny McNicholl and Willis Halaholo in his first squad.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50472502No doubt we will see James Lowe lining out for Ireland eventually too.
They've earned it
I say this without knowing the players and knowing the rules but it just doesn’t sit right to me. Not knocking Wales here, we’re guilty the right side of the river too. I have no problem with the Faletau’s and Vunipola’s but three years at these ages is just wrong to me. There’s a world of difference between 3 years at 15 and say early 20’s. Worse still is the parachuting of players like Shields. And yeah, I know this has been done to death in here. ☹️
Always worth re-airing.
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@booboo said in NH International Rugby:
@mofitzy_ said in NH International Rugby:
Wales coach Wayne Pivac has named New Zealand-born backs Johnny McNicholl and Willis Halaholo in his first squad.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50472502No doubt we will see James Lowe lining out for Ireland eventually too.
Superfluous word
Agree, direct quote from the article.
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Every rugby fan I met at the WC agreed that players who move as professional rugby players should have even stricter rules applied by meeting residency plus some other criteria or combination of criteria such as being married to a local, having a child with the local passport, gaining a passport for said country, buying and owning property for a certain amount of time. It’s mad that professionals, moving simply for professional reasons, are treated the same way as (for example) 13 year olds who are moved by their parents.
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@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
@mofitzy_ said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow
Living out their childhood dreams.Their childhood dream was to play international rugby for the ABs I'm sure.
They weren't good enough, so playing against the ABs is the next best thing.
"Wales"
Just call it the Welsh Invitational XV and be done with it
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@mariner4life said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
@mofitzy_ said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow
Living out their childhood dreams.Their childhood dream was to play international rugby for the ABs I'm sure.
They weren't good enough, so playing against the ABs is the next best thing.
"Wales"
Just call it the Welsh Invitational XV and be done with it
Ha ha
Didn't see too much blather when Japan were ripping through the pool stages of the WC
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@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
@mariner4life said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
@mofitzy_ said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow
Living out their childhood dreams.Their childhood dream was to play international rugby for the ABs I'm sure.
They weren't good enough, so playing against the ABs is the next best thing.
"Wales"
Just call it the Welsh Invitational XV and be done with it
Ha ha
Didn't see too much blather when Japan were ripping through the pool stages of the WC
i was making heaps of jokes about how modern and inclusive their UN side was.
However it is so sad to see the Welsh have fallen to basically saying they are no worse than T2 sides like Japan. And Scotland.
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@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
@mariner4life said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
@mofitzy_ said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow
Living out their childhood dreams.Their childhood dream was to play international rugby for the ABs I'm sure.
They weren't good enough, so playing against the ABs is the next best thing.
"Wales"
Just call it the Welsh Invitational XV and be done with it
Ha ha
Didn't see too much blather when Japan were ripping through the pool stages of the WC
Not looking close enough
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Whilst there's an element of truth that Wales has fallen to WC SF status and needs an influx of overseas born players to bolster our chances of actually making a Final, the real reason is the concurrent playing of Pro 14 matches during the Autumn Internationals and 6N.
Each of the Welsh regions provides players to the Wales national squad - as it should be - and in their absence the regional teams need players who in the short term are not going to be called away on international duty.
Their reward for keeping the regions competitive?
Residency and a possible call up to Wales. Or Scotland. Or Ireland. Or England. Or France.
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@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
Whilst there's an element of truth that Wales has fallen to WC SF status and needs an influx of overseas born players to bolster our chances of actually making a Final, the real reason is the concurrent playing of Pro 14 matches during the Autumn Internationals and 6N.
Fallen?
It's their peak.
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@MajorRage said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
Whilst there's an element of truth that Wales has fallen to WC SF status and needs an influx of overseas born players to bolster our chances of actually making a Final, the real reason is the concurrent playing of Pro 14 matches during the Autumn Internationals and 6N.
Fallen?
It's their peak.
I think Mike is referring to misguided optimism. That has now fallen.
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@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MajorRage said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
Whilst there's an element of truth that Wales has fallen to WC SF status and needs an influx of overseas born players to bolster our chances of actually making a Final, the real reason is the concurrent playing of Pro 14 matches during the Autumn Internationals and 6N.
Fallen?
It's their peak.
I think Mike is referring to misguided optimism. That has now fallen.
I was being sarcastic in reference to the Tier 2 quip.
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@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MajorRage said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
Whilst there's an element of truth that Wales has fallen to WC SF status and needs an influx of overseas born players to bolster our chances of actually making a Final, the real reason is the concurrent playing of Pro 14 matches during the Autumn Internationals and 6N.
Fallen?
It's their peak.
I think Mike is referring to misguided optimism. That has now fallen.
I was being sarcastic in reference to the Tier 2 quip.
What's the point? You're on a Kiwi website.
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@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MajorRage said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
Whilst there's an element of truth that Wales has fallen to WC SF status and needs an influx of overseas born players to bolster our chances of actually making a Final, the real reason is the concurrent playing of Pro 14 matches during the Autumn Internationals and 6N.
Fallen?
It's their peak.
I think Mike is referring to misguided optimism. That has now fallen.
I was being sarcastic in reference to the Tier 2 quip.
What's the point? You're on a Kiwi website.
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@gt12 said in NH International Rugby:
Every rugby fan I met at the WC agreed that players who move as professional rugby players should have even stricter rules applied by meeting residency plus some other criteria or combination of criteria such as being married to a local, having a child with the local passport, gaining a passport for said country, buying and owning property for a certain amount of time. It’s mad that professionals, moving simply for professional reasons, are treated the same way as (for example) 13 year olds who are moved by their parents.
I think the simple rule would - and should be - if you are a citizen, you are entitled to play. For those qualifying for citizenship by descent, there's a clear connection to the country. For those who do the time to qualify for citizenship, again, there's a clear connection and commitment to the country.
EDIT: I realise this might be a bit awkward for some Wallaby players, who've lived most of their lives in Aus as permanent residents c/o their Kiwi citizenship - I recall Quade actually became an Aus citizen years after his debut and only so he play in the Rio 7s!
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@Wurzel said in NH International Rugby:
But citizenship can be escalated by national governments. You only need to look at the amount of Brazilians playing for oil rich Middle Eastern nations. Likewise those same nations dish out citizenships to East African runners ahead of Olympic Games.
Yeah citizenship is much worse. It should never be the only pre-requisite. Maybe 5 years/parents (ditch the grandprents) + citizenship
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Citizenship still creates a lot of inequalities, even if you combine it with 5 years residence, because in some countries it's is very difficult to get citizenship (the opposite of @Wurzel's example) and some countries allow dual citizenship and others don't. There are also countries that don't allow their people to lose their citizenship, even if it's to obtain another one.
IMO, 5 years residence is enough. I wouldn't ditch the grandparents rule, because that would hurt PI nations.
Anyway, I'm sure there have been more possible ideas/solutions/variations in the eligibility thread.
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@Machpants said in NH International Rugby:
I thought it was 5 years now, have they been over there for 5? Or are they the last of the 3 yearers?
They're among the last of the 3-yearers.
There isn't much November rugby this year, so maybe some others (like James Lowe) who just beat the deadline when they moved. But no November internationals so not picked yet.
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@junior said in NH International Rugby:
@gt12 said in NH International Rugby:
Every rugby fan I met at the WC agreed that players who move as professional rugby players should have even stricter rules applied by meeting residency plus some other criteria or combination of criteria such as being married to a local, having a child with the local passport, gaining a passport for said country, buying and owning property for a certain amount of time. It’s mad that professionals, moving simply for professional reasons, are treated the same way as (for example) 13 year olds who are moved by their parents.
I think the simple rule would - and should be - if you are a citizen, you are entitled to play. For those qualifying for citizenship by descent, there's a clear connection to the country. For those who do the time to qualify for citizenship, again, there's a clear connection and commitment to the country.
EDIT: I realise this might be a bit awkward for some Wallaby players, who've lived most of their lives in Aus as permanent residents c/o their Kiwi citizenship - I recall Quade actually became an Aus citizen years after his debut and only so he play in the Rio 7s!
It would be a good way to highlight the shitty way Australian Government treat some of their people.
