Cricket: NZ vs England
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I can see why they're digging in. Flailing and being all out for 440 makes no sense given the slowness of the pitch. If they can occupy the crease then the runs will come - still think this is heading for a draw though and the pitch has let down the grand occasion of Bay Oval's first test
Wow... That's a terrible post. This pitch has made a game of it heading into day 5. That's the main goal of a test pitch.
What's so terrible? Just the usual ill informed content we specialize in on the fern!
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@No-Quarter for a one time opening bat who never quite made it, it is an amazing achievement and testament to perseverance and hard work.
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@canefan said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I can see why they're digging in. Flailing and being all out for 440 makes no sense given the slowness of the pitch. If they can occupy the crease then the runs will come - still think this is heading for a draw though and the pitch has let down the grand occasion of Bay Oval's first test
Wow... That's a terrible post. This pitch has made a game of it heading into day 5. That's the main goal of a test pitch.
What's so terrible? Just the usual ill informed content we specialize in on the fern!
No.. It was the common sense cricket talk followed by the nonsense about the pitch. Quite the juxtaposition.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@canefan said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I can see why they're digging in. Flailing and being all out for 440 makes no sense given the slowness of the pitch. If they can occupy the crease then the runs will come - still think this is heading for a draw though and the pitch has let down the grand occasion of Bay Oval's first test
Wow... That's a terrible post. This pitch has made a game of it heading into day 5. That's the main goal of a test pitch.
What's so terrible? Just the usual ill informed content we specialize in on the fern!
No.. It was the common sense cricket talk followed by the nonsense about the pitch. Quite the juxtaposition.
1 out of 2 ain't bad.....
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I can see why they're digging in. Flailing and being all out for 440 makes no sense given the slowness of the pitch. If they can occupy the crease then the runs will come - still think this is heading for a draw though and the pitch has let down the grand occasion of Bay Oval's first test
Wow... That's a terrible post. This pitch has made a game of it heading into day 5. That's the main goal of a test pitch.
No that's just one of the goals of a test pitch. Not sure what your point is - the pitch lacks pace and bounce, hence why the chosen method of bowling has been dibblies bowling straight and waiting for a mistake. Which makes for dull cricket. It's not a disastrous pitch but it could be better and I'm fairly sure the groundsman will be told that.
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@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I can see why they're digging in. Flailing and being all out for 440 makes no sense given the slowness of the pitch. If they can occupy the crease then the runs will come - still think this is heading for a draw though and the pitch has let down the grand occasion of Bay Oval's first test
Wow... That's a terrible post. This pitch has made a game of it heading into day 5. That's the main goal of a test pitch.
No that's just one of the goals of a test pitch. Not sure what your point is - the pitch lacks pace and bounce, hence why the chosen method of bowling has been dibblies bowling straight and waiting for a mistake. Which makes for dull cricket. It's not a disastrous pitch but it could be better and I'm fairly sure the groundsman will be told that.
Dibbly Dobblies? Someone should have told Santner that as he was fending off dibbly dobblies from his face for most of the 3rd session on day 3. Who exactly was bowling these dibbly dobblies?
If you think this pitch lacks bounce you haven't been paying attention and must throwing words around.
And the pitch has already got the thumbs up from both teams and nzc. So your negativity is ill founded.
Batsmen have had to work on a pitch that has been baked with close to zero atmospheric assistance for the bowlers.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I can see why they're digging in. Flailing and being all out for 440 makes no sense given the slowness of the pitch. If they can occupy the crease then the runs will come - still think this is heading for a draw though and the pitch has let down the grand occasion of Bay Oval's first test
Wow... That's a terrible post. This pitch has made a game of it heading into day 5. That's the main goal of a test pitch.
No that's just one of the goals of a test pitch. Not sure what your point is - the pitch lacks pace and bounce, hence why the chosen method of bowling has been dibblies bowling straight and waiting for a mistake. Which makes for dull cricket. It's not a disastrous pitch but it could be better and I'm fairly sure the groundsman will be told that.
You literally said the pitch has ruined the test....
No if that was the case I would have said "the pitch has ruined the test" - that is what literal means. What you're looking for is "implied" I think.
OK I suppose it has bounce but lacks pace - so the bounce is rather gentle. Santner was fending them off as he appears to have no technique to play the short ball.
What the test has showed is that England appears to be very poor at having a plan to take wickets and sticking to it. They let the test drift on and 2 middle to lower order players bat for a very long time.
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@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I can see why they're digging in. Flailing and being all out for 440 makes no sense given the slowness of the pitch. If they can occupy the crease then the runs will come - still think this is heading for a draw though and the pitch has let down the grand occasion of Bay Oval's first test
Wow... That's a terrible post. This pitch has made a game of it heading into day 5. That's the main goal of a test pitch.
No that's just one of the goals of a test pitch. Not sure what your point is - the pitch lacks pace and bounce, hence why the chosen method of bowling has been dibblies bowling straight and waiting for a mistake. Which makes for dull cricket. It's not a disastrous pitch but it could be better and I'm fairly sure the groundsman will be told that.
You literally said the pitch has ruined the test....
No if that was the case I would have said "the pitch has ruined the test" - that is what literal means. What you're looking for is "implied" I think.
OK I suppose it has bounce but lacks pace - so the bounce is rather gentle. Santner was fending them off as he appears to have no technique to play the short ball.
What the test has showed is that England appears to be very poor at having a plan to take wickets and sticking to it. They let the test drift on and 2 middle to lower order players bat for a very long time.
Well we are getting somewhere I guess... Now you are just complaining about a supposed lack of pace letting down the test. Which is still nonsense .
So is it the pitch or bowlers fault that the 2 batsmen batted a long time? Personally I think it was good batting and sub-par bowling.
And the pitch has already had good feedback from both camps.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I can see why they're digging in. Flailing and being all out for 440 makes no sense given the slowness of the pitch. If they can occupy the crease then the runs will come - still think this is heading for a draw though and the pitch has let down the grand occasion of Bay Oval's first test
Wow... That's a terrible post. This pitch has made a game of it heading into day 5. That's the main goal of a test pitch.
No that's just one of the goals of a test pitch. Not sure what your point is - the pitch lacks pace and bounce, hence why the chosen method of bowling has been dibblies bowling straight and waiting for a mistake. Which makes for dull cricket. It's not a disastrous pitch but it could be better and I'm fairly sure the groundsman will be told that.
You literally said the pitch has ruined the test....
No if that was the case I would have said "the pitch has ruined the test" - that is what literal means. What you're looking for is "implied" I think.
OK I suppose it has bounce but lacks pace - so the bounce is rather gentle. Santner was fending them off as he appears to have no technique to play the short ball.
What the test has showed is that England appears to be very poor at having a plan to take wickets and sticking to it. They let the test drift on and 2 middle to lower order players bat for a very long time.
Well we are getting somewhere I guess... Now you are just complaining about a supposed lack of pace letting down the test. Which is still nonsense .
So is it the pitch or bowlers fault that the 2 batsmen batted a long time? Personally I think it was good batting and sub-par bowling.
And the pitch has already had good feedback from both camps.
Why are you so defensive about the pitch - it is slow, full stop, nothing supposed about it. It has contributed to some anaemic cricket at times. Similar to a pitch on the sub-continent, although with not so much turn. It was striking how ineffective Leach looked though when there was some turn there for Santner.
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@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I can see why they're digging in. Flailing and being all out for 440 makes no sense given the slowness of the pitch. If they can occupy the crease then the runs will come - still think this is heading for a draw though and the pitch has let down the grand occasion of Bay Oval's first test
Wow... That's a terrible post. This pitch has made a game of it heading into day 5. That's the main goal of a test pitch.
No that's just one of the goals of a test pitch. Not sure what your point is - the pitch lacks pace and bounce, hence why the chosen method of bowling has been dibblies bowling straight and waiting for a mistake. Which makes for dull cricket. It's not a disastrous pitch but it could be better and I'm fairly sure the groundsman will be told that.
You literally said the pitch has ruined the test....
No if that was the case I would have said "the pitch has ruined the test" - that is what literal means. What you're looking for is "implied" I think.
OK I suppose it has bounce but lacks pace - so the bounce is rather gentle. Santner was fending them off as he appears to have no technique to play the short ball.
What the test has showed is that England appears to be very poor at having a plan to take wickets and sticking to it. They let the test drift on and 2 middle to lower order players bat for a very long time.
Well we are getting somewhere I guess... Now you are just complaining about a supposed lack of pace letting down the test. Which is still nonsense .
So is it the pitch or bowlers fault that the 2 batsmen batted a long time? Personally I think it was good batting and sub-par bowling.
And the pitch has already had good feedback from both camps.
Why are you so defensive about the pitch - it is slow, full stop, nothing supposed about it. It has contributed to some anaemic cricket at times. Similar to a pitch on the sub-continent, although with not so much turn. It was striking how ineffective Leach looked though when there was some turn there for Santner.
Because your over the top criticism of the pitch was stupid, and you have been walking it back ever since . A pitch supposedly being a little slow has not let down the test. All results are on the table. Bowlers have had to work for wickets and batsmen have had to work for runs. Why are you being so negative and churlish about the pitch?
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@LABCAT said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I don't think all results are on the table. Although could pull off a miracle I think the odds of that are quite low.
Well an England win is off the table barring a test match for the record books where England throw away their wickets in a blaze of T20 hitting then we collapse into a massive heap chasing very little.
NZ win is definitely on the table. We just need to do our best to take the opportunity. It won't be easy as stonewalling would fast become the option for England.
If I had to put my house on a result then a draw would be the bet but I certainly wouldn't feel at all comfortable. -
@SynicBast said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Gunner said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Yeahtheboys said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
Bmac?
Didn’t get his as keeper did he?
Nope, all as a specialist batsman, free of the significant additional mental and physical fatigue of keeping wickets.
To answer this, BMac got 185 vs Bangladesh at Hamilton in 2010 so BJ has broken that record for a NZ wicketkeeper.
The other outrageous stat is that Watling has batted 16 h 16 min between test dismissals.
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@Crucial It's interestingly poised. I see Alec Stewart is picking a draw and saying Santner shouldn't hurt you.
What should be in our favour is that Pope, Curran and Archer are all young guys and rookie test players. I think if we can get through Root and Stokes especially and leave these young guys with plenty to do, there's a good chance they'll crumble under pressure, even if the pitch doesn't help Santner that much.
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Looking at the scoring rates for the match, England probably won't overhaul our lead until very late in session 2 (if they do well), early in session three (if they go about average) or at all (if they shut up shop).
I'd imagine that England will want to focus on keeping wickets in hand through the first session, and if that goes well then look to close the gap through the second hour of session one and session 2.
I don't see any path to victory for England. Even scoring at 5 an over they only have a hundred run lead by the end of the second session.
As @Chris-B said, Root and Stokes look to be the key for England. I don't think either of them will panic too much in any situation. Stokes' form makes him the more important of the two, but Root may relish the chance to have a chance to occupy the crease without having to think about scoring. Get them both before tea and I think we wrap up reasonably quickly thereafter.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I can see why they're digging in. Flailing and being all out for 440 makes no sense given the slowness of the pitch. If they can occupy the crease then the runs will come - still think this is heading for a draw though and the pitch has let down the grand occasion of Bay Oval's first test
Wow... That's a terrible post. This pitch has made a game of it heading into day 5. That's the main goal of a test pitch.
No that's just one of the goals of a test pitch. Not sure what your point is - the pitch lacks pace and bounce, hence why the chosen method of bowling has been dibblies bowling straight and waiting for a mistake. Which makes for dull cricket. It's not a disastrous pitch but it could be better and I'm fairly sure the groundsman will be told that.
You literally said the pitch has ruined the test....
No if that was the case I would have said "the pitch has ruined the test" - that is what literal means. What you're looking for is "implied" I think.
OK I suppose it has bounce but lacks pace - so the bounce is rather gentle. Santner was fending them off as he appears to have no technique to play the short ball.
What the test has showed is that England appears to be very poor at having a plan to take wickets and sticking to it. They let the test drift on and 2 middle to lower order players bat for a very long time.
Well we are getting somewhere I guess... Now you are just complaining about a supposed lack of pace letting down the test. Which is still nonsense .
So is it the pitch or bowlers fault that the 2 batsmen batted a long time? Personally I think it was good batting and sub-par bowling.
And the pitch has already had good feedback from both camps.
Why are you so defensive about the pitch - it is slow, full stop, nothing supposed about it. It has contributed to some anaemic cricket at times. Similar to a pitch on the sub-continent, although with not so much turn. It was striking how ineffective Leach looked though when there was some turn there for Santner.
Because your over the top criticism of the pitch was stupid, and you have been walking it back ever since . A pitch supposedly being a little slow has not let down the test. All results are on the table. Bowlers have had to work for wickets and batsmen have had to work for runs. Why are you being so negative and churlish about the pitch?
Actually your interpretation of my criticism of the pitch was that it was over the top - I've got nothing to walk back whereas you keep saying the pitch is "supposedly" slow where it is in fact slow as many pundits have stated. But we can keep going if you still want to argue that the pitch isn't slow ....
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More stats. If Santner gets two more wickets he'll be the first NZ spinner to get a home 5fer since Jeetan Patel in 2008. (Keeshav Maharaj x2, Danish Kaneria, Harbajan Singh and Sunil Narine have also done it since then). Vettori is the only other kiwi to have done it this millenium.
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@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
@KiwiPie said in Cricket: NZ vs England:
I can see why they're digging in. Flailing and being all out for 440 makes no sense given the slowness of the pitch. If they can occupy the crease then the runs will come - still think this is heading for a draw though and the pitch has let down the grand occasion of Bay Oval's first test
Wow... That's a terrible post. This pitch has made a game of it heading into day 5. That's the main goal of a test pitch.
No that's just one of the goals of a test pitch. Not sure what your point is - the pitch lacks pace and bounce, hence why the chosen method of bowling has been dibblies bowling straight and waiting for a mistake. Which makes for dull cricket. It's not a disastrous pitch but it could be better and I'm fairly sure the groundsman will be told that.
You literally said the pitch has ruined the test....
No if that was the case I would have said "the pitch has ruined the test" - that is what literal means. What you're looking for is "implied" I think.
OK I suppose it has bounce but lacks pace - so the bounce is rather gentle. Santner was fending them off as he appears to have no technique to play the short ball.
What the test has showed is that England appears to be very poor at having a plan to take wickets and sticking to it. They let the test drift on and 2 middle to lower order players bat for a very long time.
Well we are getting somewhere I guess... Now you are just complaining about a supposed lack of pace letting down the test. Which is still nonsense .
So is it the pitch or bowlers fault that the 2 batsmen batted a long time? Personally I think it was good batting and sub-par bowling.
And the pitch has already had good feedback from both camps.
Why are you so defensive about the pitch - it is slow, full stop, nothing supposed about it. It has contributed to some anaemic cricket at times. Similar to a pitch on the sub-continent, although with not so much turn. It was striking how ineffective Leach looked though when there was some turn there for Santner.
Because your over the top criticism of the pitch was stupid, and you have been walking it back ever since . A pitch supposedly being a little slow has not let down the test. All results are on the table. Bowlers have had to work for wickets and batsmen have had to work for runs. Why are you being so negative and churlish about the pitch?
Actually your interpretation of my criticism of the pitch was that it was over the top - I've got nothing to walk back whereas you keep saying the pitch is "supposedly" slow where it is in fact slow as many pundits have stated. But we can keep going if you still want to argue that the pitch isn't slow ....
No I am more interested in your nonsense that the pitch has let down the occasion and reduced the bowlers to bowling dibbly dobblies.
As for pundits... So what? I disagree it is slow, so does the groundsman and at least one of the bowlers. NZC is also very happy with the pitch
