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@Baron-Silas-Greenback and accused me of lying about watching the hearings. You’re wrong again
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback There is also a world of difference between taking action for personal gain and taking action that results in personal gain. Every single presidential action could be argued with the latter. The former has to mean you only acted in your self interest for gain. I think Ukraine interference and Democrat corruption is in the countries interest. Biden does not get a free pass because he is a politician. The left seem to forget it is actually Trumps job to do this.. He was voted in.
So funny. You actually think trump is “draining the swamp” he is the swamp. If you think trump was acting in the countries interest through all of this, either you haven’t watched the hearings, or your judgement is clouded by your political beliefs.
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Yeah yeah... But your argument thus far is non existent on facts. Just opinion and claims that anyone doesn't agree with you doesn't know the facts. What facts am I missing?
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@WS32119 said in US Politics:
Wondering if anyone else is watching the hearings. It’s pretty obvious that trump is guilty of using his office for personal political gain. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
It’s extraordinary. Beyond the pale-level corruption. Only a lowlife like Trump.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in US Politics:
@WS32119 said in US Politics:
Wondering if anyone else is watching the hearings. It’s pretty obvious that trump is guilty of using his office for personal political gain. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
It’s extraordinary. Beyond the pale-level corruption. Only a lowlife like Trump.
Where did I say that Biden is the answer? Your assumption that I’m a democrat shows your bias
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You’re projecting. I didn’t assume anything, aside from the obvious. Trump is hardly unique in using the power of the White House to influence, and to deny this is the height of naivete. And what Biden is caught on tape admitting goes to the very heart of this dumbass impeachment hearing in the first place. Although that’s not quite true, it’s kabuki. This “impeachment hearing” started the day the Obama administration interfered in the 2016 election to spy on Candidate Trump. Everything the Dems accuse & charge Trump of doing, they are the ones who are in-fact guilty. It’s all projection.
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Impeachment is a losing issue for Dems among independents in swing states.
I think Pelosi should either -- move to censure or
- try some maneuvers to delay impeachment (for example, adopt a resolution saying they need to wait for the courts to decide on subpoenas) to have it hanging over Trump's head.
Far left base won't like it, but Dems can use media to sell it to them.
I still think Biden is the only one who can beat Trump in the swing states and has a shot of actually winning the primary. Opening up his Ukraine ventures in a Senate trial, forcing him to appear for testimony, is NOT going to help him.
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@Frank It's starting to look like this is turning into a win-win for Trump. Some seriously dodgy stuff with this Hunter character and China too....if they hadn't decided to invent an issue with this phone call then Hunter might not have been looked at seriously. Is Schiff a covert republican or just functionally retarded?
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@Salacious-Crumb said in US Politics:
You’re projecting. I didn’t assume anything, aside from the obvious. Trump is hardly unique in using the power of the White House to influence, and to deny this is the height of naivete. And what Biden is caught on tape admitting goes to the very heart of this dumbass impeachment hearing in the first place. Although that’s not quite true, it’s kabuki. This “impeachment hearing” started the day the Obama administration interfered in the 2016 election to spy on Candidate Trump. Everything the Dems accuse & charge Trump of doing, they are the ones who are in-fact guilty. It’s all projection.
Got a date that goes with that day?
Got any hard evidence?
Anyone been charged?Just curious.
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Who paid for the Steele dossier, Crucial? Who paid for tales of the phantom pee-tape? Sit back and grab the popcorn. The Inspector General’s report is due to drop any day...
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@Salacious-Crumb said in US Politics:
Who paid for the Steele dossier, Crucial? Who paid for tales of the phantom pee-tape? Sit back and grab the popcorn. The Inspector General’s report is due to drop any day...
Not the Obama administration anyway.
Steele dossier was paid for by three different and disparate groups as one picked up from the other. Steele himself declares that he didn't know who was paying (apart from Fusion).So, back to my question. Or are happy to declare that it is just your opinion.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in US Politics:
Who paid for the Steele dossier, Crucial? Who paid for tales of the phantom pee-tape? Sit back and grab the popcorn. The Inspector General’s report is due to drop any day...
I am skeptical anything much will come of the Horowitz investigation beyond a few bad apples being identified.
I think the Durham investigation into the origins of the information the CIA gave to the FBI to initiate the counter-intelligence investigation is possibly more interesting. Durham is taking his 3rd trip to Italy to talk to intelligence services over there and is looking into Stefan Halper.
All speculation at this stage.
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If corroborated then it certainly should be investigated.
Potential corruption involving Hunter Biden has already been investigated by both the US State Department (who declared no conflict of interest) and Ukraine (who have no link of Bidens involvement in the Burisma investigations).
The (totally different) impeachment investigation is to establish whetherTrump tried to link the two for personal/ political gain which is against his oath of office.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
If corroborated then it certainly should be investigated.
Potential corruption involving Hunter Biden has already been investigated by both the US State Department (who declared no conflict of interest) and Ukraine (who have no link of Bidens involvement in the Burisma investigations).
The (totally different) impeachment investigation is to establish whetherTrump tried to link the two for personal/ political gain which is against his oath of office.
Lol... the state dept investigation is never going to cut it.
And impeachment investigation is only totally different whilst the Dems control the process, as soon as it hits the senate it will be front and centre, just where many, including myself, think it should be.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
If corroborated then it certainly should be investigated.
Potential corruption involving Hunter Biden has already been investigated by both the US State Department (who declared no conflict of interest) and Ukraine (who have no link of Bidens involvement in the Burisma investigations).
The (totally different) impeachment investigation is to establish whetherTrump tried to link the two for personal/ political gain which is against his oath of office.
Lol... the state dept investigation is never going to cut it.
And impeachment investigation is only totally different whilst the Dems control the process, as soon as it hits the senate it will be front and centre, just where many, including myself, think it should be.
You do understand the process I gather?
It has to be in the House first then the Senate. If it gets that far then your wish will be granted.
All this bullshit about the hearings being Dem controlled is no different to previous impeachment process.
I agree about the State Dept 'investigation into conflict of interest being not the strongest though. They don't even see conflict of interest with Ivanka.
There is a very thin line between favours and corruption. that's for sure.
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