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@mariner4life straws are for kids...who cares if they taste
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@mariner4life said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@taniwharugby said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@mariner4life we have aluminium ones at home for the kids.
I hate those too, they have a taste
We just need to accept we peaked the straw at plastic
Just ask them if they can fill your own mug.
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@Snowy said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Stainless steel ones shouldn't taste and they don't collapse with too much pressure like plastic (and yeah, cardboard are shit).
Gotta say the objective of saving the planet does seem to have diminished a bit in this conversation...
So we are supposed to judge straws based on their ability to withstand pressure?
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Snowy said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Stainless steel ones shouldn't taste and they don't collapse with too much pressure like plastic (and yeah, cardboard are shit).
Gotta say the objective of saving the planet does seem to have diminished a bit in this conversation...
So we are supposed to judge straws based on their ability to withstand pressure?
Functionality I think. Straws that collapse and don't deliver the desired result I would class as a fail. That is when in use and get a bit of a blockage they don't work.
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@antipodean said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@mariner4life said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@taniwharugby said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@mariner4life we have aluminium ones at home for the kids.
I hate those too, they have a taste
We just need to accept we peaked the straw at plastic
Just ask them if they can fill your own mug.
Good option, but not for frozen coke
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@mariner4life this one has a silicon straw...perfect really, can be cleaned, and still take to the movies for your frozen coke, plus, gooder for the environment, and I'm sure you could get a Darth Vader one if you wanted.
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@taniwharugby said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@mariner4life this one has a silicon straw...perfect really, can be cleaned, and still take to the movies for your frozen coke, plus, gooder for the environment, and I'm sure you could get a Darth Vader one if you wanted.
I think we've got his christmas present sorted. Someone drop a quick word to Mrs M4L.
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@Snowy said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Snowy said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Stainless steel ones shouldn't taste and they don't collapse with too much pressure like plastic (and yeah, cardboard are shit).
Gotta say the objective of saving the planet does seem to have diminished a bit in this conversation...
So we are supposed to judge straws based on their ability to withstand pressure?
Functionality I think. Straws that collapse and don't deliver the desired result I would class as a fail. That is when in use and get a bit of a blockage they don't work.
Should we be judging them on aesthetics as well?I genuinely have no idea what you are doing with your straws that collapsing due to pressure is a concern.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Snowy said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Snowy said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Stainless steel ones shouldn't taste and they don't collapse with too much pressure like plastic (and yeah, cardboard are shit).
Gotta say the objective of saving the planet does seem to have diminished a bit in this conversation...
So we are supposed to judge straws based on their ability to withstand pressure?
Functionality I think. Straws that collapse and don't deliver the desired result I would class as a fail. That is when in use and get a bit of a blockage they don't work.
Should we be judging them on aesthetics as well?I genuinely have no idea what you are doing with your straws that collapsing due to pressure is a concern.
I haven't used a straw in several decades, and the technology may have improved, but an icecream blockage would cause the straw to collapse when having a milkshake. That shouldn't happen.
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I'll add that when you heard about a girl that could suck a golf ball through a garden hose you wouldn't expect the garden hose to fold in on itself...
I'm going to rest my case for better straws there, although the discussion is a bit of a straw man for climate change.
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@Snowy said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
I'll add that when you heard about a girl that could suck a golf ball through a garden hose...
I knew that girl. She could lick the chrome off a bumper hitch, too. Good times.
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@taniwharugby said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@mariner4life straws are for kids...who cares if they taste
but milkshakes
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@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
Greta’s backstory has a few holes
"There have already been suggestions that Greta’s rise to fame was not quite as spontaneous as advertised."
Greenpeace Greta. What disappoints me is how easily manipulated people are. I just hope this is the bottom point. And 2020 will be a more sane year
But anyway Merry Christmas to all. Including the end-of-worlders.
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I have a few moments before I start cooking (Dad joke there if you look for it given the thread).
I was at a Christmas party with neighbours last night (I'm going to bash my hangover with some champagne when I start cooking) and met another neighbour that I haven't seen for a couple of years.He is an Oceanography professor that lives in the USA and only comes down to NZ for a month or so a year, to stay at his property as he is a Kiwi originally. A very positive, optimistic, individual but he was struggling to be that way when I questioned him on climate change. He is well into his sixties but loves his work so hasn't retired. He is also one of the blokes that does all of the research on ice, sea temperatures, etc. Has been down to Antarctica many times and returned from a trip to the Arctic on a Russian icebreaker a couple of weeks ago. They got all the way to 85deg north and the news wasn't good from the data collected, nor was it when he was in Antarctica earlier. Rate of polar melt is increasing and the ice was thin enough for them to keep going North.
This from a guy who has no political agenda, isn't being reported in the press, just collects data. He has nothing to prove to me, is well off enough to retire, so all conspiracy theories aren't really relevant. He just has collected data, no papers being produced, grants being given, theories to be completed, someone else will handle all of that later on if you really want to believe that it is all corrupt. The Russians funded it I think, so you can start a conspiracy there usually. He also mentioned that people just don't want it to be true so it is hard to win in a court of public opinion in spite of the numbers.
The rate of change is escalating as he said was predicted 40 years ago by many scientists. A few of of us here have said it won't be changed by governments making promises and having meetings, but by individuals taking action, he agrees. He, as I said, is a positive guy, and thinks that with a concerted effort and the technology available, carbon release and storage could be managed.
So that is from the horse's mouth, not filtered through a media organisation or political party. Just me of course, and I'm not going to enter a debate, I have just reported what was said.
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@Snowy
There have always been end of worlders about. Especially when their job and status depends on it. In my lifetime it was nuclear weapons. Then the ozone breakdown where 500 mile per hour solar winds would destroy earth. The scare stories regarding global warming started around 50 years back. All the snow in NZ would disappear. Didn't happened. Gore's Inconvenient Truth predicted all the ice would be gone after 5 years. Didn't happen.For some reason the mind can go on a negative path. Add in lots of money with negative end of world predictions and it simple feeds this human flaw to not live in the present moment and enjoy life and instead swim in self pity and scare stories about the world ending.
If the world does end it will be unlikely to be anything anyone predicts. Unless of course it's a money earner in some way. And then it will be a fluke that for once the end of worlders got it right.
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So heres an article about this Arctic ice
The glaciers in Alaska were definitely less extensive then than they are today. It is also hard to be worried about even a 6% decline in sea ice as it has NO effect on sea level and ships are still being caught in the sea ice every year.
Also, the voyage of the St. Roch in 1940 (during WW2) by the NORTHERN Northwest Passage has not been repeated recently due to heavy sea ice.
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