Coronavirus - Overall
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean sure but can you get it at the dairy? When I was in brissie last year and only had one expensive bottle-o nearby. And it typically closed early.
What @chimoaus said. I haven't really worked in hospitality, but from friends that own/ run bars and restaurants I understand that the easiest way to get a liquor licence here is to sell food, or just booze. Anything else is a right PITA apparently.
Happy to be corrected if anyone knows otherwise.
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean sure but can you get it at the dairy? When I was in brissie last year and only had one expensive bottle-o nearby. And it typically closed early.
Was it an expensive one or just normal price which is expensive compared with UK (and NZ)?
The Woolies bottle store chain make you go and buy a bag from Woolies if you need anything to carry your beers in.
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Hanami season here and Tokyo parks were packed, as usual.
Wife was in Tokyo and said people didn't seem overly fussed. Crowds weren't hectic either when she went out to capture some cherry blossoms blooming.
People are much more worried about the Oympics being postponed or cancelled though - the news that the Canadian's won't send their team will be all over the news this evening.
As if that would make a difference to the medal count.
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Fascinating ways in which Singapore is fighting Coronavirus.
The Western author portrays Singaporean govt as "dictatorial". I just think they are organized.
The other side: Some of the government's techniques would be difficult to implement in a free society. Over many decades, Singaporeans have become comfortable unquestioningly following directives from their dictatorial government.
For example, Singapore's government didn't just recommend that people stay in quarantine for 14 days after they return from overseas. Instead, the authorities enforce their "stay-at-home" notices by sending text messages to residents throughout the day. When they receive the texts, Singaporeans are required to share their GPS location with the government, per CNA.
If Singaporeans don't comply with stay-at-home notices, they could be prosecuted under Section 21A of the Infectious Diseases Act. "First-time offenders are liable for a fine of up to S$10,000, jail of up to six months, or both," per CNA. "Repeat offenders face double the penalties."*https://www.axios.com/singapore-coronavirus-big-brother-bd7cec2b-eb47-4b49-a337-f4f4ecff57f2.html
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Fascinating ways in which Singapore is fighting Coronavirus.
The Western author portrays Singaporean govt as "dictatorial". I just think they are organized.
The other side: Some of the government's techniques would be difficult to implement in a free society. Over many decades, Singaporeans have become comfortable unquestioningly following directives from their dictatorial government.
For example, Singapore's government didn't just recommend that people stay in quarantine for 14 days after they return from overseas. Instead, the authorities enforce their "stay-at-home" notices by sending text messages to residents throughout the day. When they receive the texts, Singaporeans are required to share their GPS location with the government, per CNA.
If Singaporeans don't comply with stay-at-home notices, they could be prosecuted under Section 21A of the Infectious Diseases Act. "First-time offenders are liable for a fine of up to S$10,000, jail of up to six months, or both," per CNA. "Repeat offenders face double the penalties."*https://www.axios.com/singapore-coronavirus-big-brother-bd7cec2b-eb47-4b49-a337-f4f4ecff57f2.html
I know which one I'd prefer
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Hanami season here and Tokyo parks were packed, as usual. People are much more worried about the Oympics being postponed or cancelled though - the news that the Canadian's won't send their team will be all over the news this evening.
Extraordinary they are still maintaining that there is a remote chance that the Olympics proceed.
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Fascinating ways in which Singapore is fighting Coronavirus.
The Western author portrays Singaporean govt as "dictatorial". I just think they are organized.
The other side: Some of the government's techniques would be difficult to implement in a free society. Over many decades, Singaporeans have become comfortable unquestioningly following directives from their dictatorial government.
For example, Singapore's government didn't just recommend that people stay in quarantine for 14 days after they return from overseas. Instead, the authorities enforce their "stay-at-home" notices by sending text messages to residents throughout the day. When they receive the texts, Singaporeans are required to share their GPS location with the government, per CNA.
If Singaporeans don't comply with stay-at-home notices, they could be prosecuted under Section 21A of the Infectious Diseases Act. "First-time offenders are liable for a fine of up to S$10,000, jail of up to six months, or both," per CNA. "Repeat offenders face double the penalties."*https://www.axios.com/singapore-coronavirus-big-brother-bd7cec2b-eb47-4b49-a337-f4f4ecff57f2.html
That's not being submissive to a dictator that's being intelligent and practical. Singapore is tiny and what better way to keep track as test results come in.
Too much talk of Asian authoritarian governments scaring people to action. The fact is the people are far more pragmatic and community minded than us.
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Fascinating ways in which Singapore is fighting Coronavirus.
The Western author portrays Singaporean govt as "dictatorial". I just think they are organized.
The other side: Some of the government's techniques would be difficult to implement in a free society. Over many decades, Singaporeans have become comfortable unquestioningly following directives from their dictatorial government.
For example, Singapore's government didn't just recommend that people stay in quarantine for 14 days after they return from overseas. Instead, the authorities enforce their "stay-at-home" notices by sending text messages to residents throughout the day. When they receive the texts, Singaporeans are required to share their GPS location with the government, per CNA.
If Singaporeans don't comply with stay-at-home notices, they could be prosecuted under Section 21A of the Infectious Diseases Act. "First-time offenders are liable for a fine of up to S$10,000, jail of up to six months, or both," per CNA. "Repeat offenders face double the penalties."*https://www.axios.com/singapore-coronavirus-big-brother-bd7cec2b-eb47-4b49-a337-f4f4ecff57f2.html
There's a reason Singapore is called "Bright North Korea".
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Fascinating ways in which Singapore is fighting Coronavirus.
The Western author portrays Singaporean govt as "dictatorial". I just think they are organized.
The other side: Some of the government's techniques would be difficult to implement in a free society. Over many decades, Singaporeans have become comfortable unquestioningly following directives from their dictatorial government.
For example, Singapore's government didn't just recommend that people stay in quarantine for 14 days after they return from overseas. Instead, the authorities enforce their "stay-at-home" notices by sending text messages to residents throughout the day. When they receive the texts, Singaporeans are required to share their GPS location with the government, per CNA.
If Singaporeans don't comply with stay-at-home notices, they could be prosecuted under Section 21A of the Infectious Diseases Act. "First-time offenders are liable for a fine of up to S$10,000, jail of up to six months, or both," per CNA. "Repeat offenders face double the penalties."*https://www.axios.com/singapore-coronavirus-big-brother-bd7cec2b-eb47-4b49-a337-f4f4ecff57f2.html
That's not being submissive to a dictator that's being intelligent and practical. Singapore is tiny and what better way to keep track as test results come in.
Too much talk of Asian authoritarian governments scaring people to action. The fact is the people are far more pragmatic and community minded than us.
Just look at the proof. Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea, Japan, Hong Kong. It's not just the strength of the government (it does matter) as you say it's the character of the people. Caucasians think too much for themselves, and look at the mess we are in
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@canefan the second tier of countries in SE Asia have also done pretty well considering the close contact and proximity to China. Thailand was testing Chinese visitors from January 3. Might be climate too?
The other thing is these countries are extremely patriotic, not to the government per se, but to the country as the prime identity. So if you rally them in the name of the nation or a revered king, then they'll put all aside and pull through yet another hardship with a sense of common purpose. Well that's my experience of a few disasters in those countries. After the disaster they go all squabbly with each other again though🙂
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan the second tier of countries in SE Asia have also done pretty well considering the close contact and proximity to China. Thailand was testing Chinese visitors from January 3. Might be climate too?
The other thing is these countries are extremely patriotic, not to the government per se, but to the country as the prime identity. So if you rally them in the name of the nation or a revered king, then they'll put all aside and pull through yet another hardship with a sense of common purpose. Well that's my experience of a few disasters in those countries. After the disaster they go all squabbly with each other again though🙂
Overcoming crises like these on a national scale require huge buy in from the population, something they are very good at
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@canefan hopefully we see a coming together and stocism the Brits were renowned for in the WWs.
I've seen numerous FB pages and lots of people offering to help the local community out (from my little village to Whangarei to Northland)
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan hopefully we see a coming together and stocism the Brits were famous for in the WWs.
I've seen numerous FB pages and lots of people offering to help the local community out (from my little village to Whangarei to Northland)
Yeah, lots of apartment buildings in Oz are looking after the older folk in the complexes.
@Siam I saw some obedient shit in Thailand but that was more due to the military presence than community spirit ... I rode a bus from Bangkok to Cambodian border and we got stopped three times and all the Thais obediently hopped off while the 6 of us westerners were told to stay on the bus. I think it was during election time. But I expect you wouldn't even notice that stuff after living there.
Then I got to the Cambodian border and had to almost fight my way out of one of those dodgy fake border visa places and then do the old slip some dollars in the passport to the actual Cambodian border guards.
It was all very exciting in hindsight although I've never been comfortable seeing tiny dudes with assault rifles almost as large as them.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan hopefully we see a coming together and stocism the Brits were renowned for in the WWs.
I've seen numerous FB pages and lots of people offering to help the local community out (from my little village to Whangarei to Northland)
I hope so. At the moment there's just been to much mememememe shit
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@taniwharugby I have a feeling he was meaning people being selfish and talking about themselves not funny memes. I could be wrong of course.
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surreal and sad day, even though i have known it was coming eventually for at least a week
booze is the answer.
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@taniwharugby haha! You read it how I read it at first then. Not me-me-me-me-me.