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@SidBarret said in Coronavirus - South Africa:
In the meantime I am teaching myself how to homebrew cider - its drinkable, but needs more time for the sugar to ferment, hopefully the second batch due next week will be better.
Start a thread if you want to chat on this and maybe pick up some tips from folk. I've brewed a couple, no expert, but produced something pretty drinkable that I enjoyed. Super easy too
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@SidBarret said in Coronavirus - South Africa:
It's pretty brutal, only essential goods and services are being allowed and essential is defined extremely narrowly.
No cigarettes, no booze, no hot food or take aways.Yeoawch!!!!! No hot food or takeaways, I understand, but no booze!! What a way to help give up smoking
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@SidBarret you shouldn't need to. Pitch a whole lot of good yeast, and you should be done in under a week. You can drink it flat - otherwise you're into secondary fermentation which is interesting with ciders.
Seriously consider throwing more apple juice onto the yeast cake that develops. It should be sanitary and good to go, and will ferment like a mofo.
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@SidBarret said in Coronavirus - South Africa:
Yeah I'm Cape Town - though my wine reserves ran out three weeks back....
I'm pegging you as either a very bad planner or a drunk. I'm rather hoping for the latter, we would get on so much better.
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@Catogrande Bit of both. A cruel little trick was played on us. When the lock down was originally announced it was scheduled to run for 3 weeks, but was then extended by a further 2 weeks and then booze sales were extended indefinitely.
We stocked up for three weeks, finished it in 2 and now we're just waiting (hence the my apartment smelling like a brewery, which it kinda is)
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@SidBarret said in Coronavirus - South Africa:
@Catogrande Bit of both. A cruel little trick was played on us. When the lock down was originally announced it was scheduled to run for 3 weeks, but was then extended by a further 2 weeks and then booze sales were extended indefinitely.
We stocked up for three weeks, finished it in 2 and now we're just waiting (hence the my apartment smelling like a brewery, which it kinda is)
That is not the way to keep the population onside. At least dear old Boris over here recognises that alcohol sales is an essential service. Mind you that might be a little self serving.
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@Catogrande Yeah, it's a bit of a double edge sword - alcohol is banned to stop people doing stupid shit (and to close down the supply chain), but we have seen some looting of liquor stores and depos.
The police minister is super keen on the prohibition and there has been notable drop in violent crime over the lock down period (see the FT article above).
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@SidBarret said in Coronavirus - South Africa:
Though the article is more positive than I discussed in my post, it basically makes the same mistakes.
Three countries are mentioned in the piece; South Africa, Egypt and Kenya. Does the authors know how far Cape Town is from Nairobi, because I do because I've driven it. Its 7120km by car and if you do it at leisurely pace it will take about two and half weeks.
I don't know how much trade there is between Egypt and South Africa, but it is hell of lot less than there is between South Africa and Britain. The situation in London has a far greater affect on South Africa than Egypt and the fact we nominally share a landmass is all but irrelevant.
Recognise that SA is worlds apart from Central Africa, but was an article I'd happened to see.
A relatively low reliance on public transport is likely to be the Continent's get out of jail card, given PT (including air travel) is main conduit for CV transmission.
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I woke up in foul mood this morning, so I apologise for my tone...
Yeah, we are still waiting for the scientist to confirm whether the buffalo I depend on to get to work can be a carrier of covid.
I can kind of accept that people don't know how Africa operates; I have made the point in this very thread that news coverage of Africa poor. But it still astounds me that someone would make a statement like the below, in thread where the lack of good information is being discussed.
A relatively low reliance on public transport is likely to be the Continent's get out of jail card, given PT (including air travel) is main conduit for CV transmission
I can't speak as an expert on transport in all of Africa, because you know, I am not a transportation economist and Africa is fucking big place. I was even trying to find a headline figure on how many people depend on public transport in Africa, but again, serious researchers avoid generalising across such a large and diverse area.
https://medium.com/impact-engineered/the-african-commute-city-transport-trends-cf369e5106bd
Do I need to find a reputable research paper to suggest that Africans rely heavily on public transport? For the purposes of an rugby chat forum, probably not. What I can confidently comment on is the situation in South Africa and less confidently on Southern and Eastern Africa that people are massively reliant on public transport to get around.
But this rant isn't even about whether Africans rely on public transport or not - it is about the way that people just casually assume that they know something that they are clearly pig ignorant about.
Do I blame @pakman for making a stupid comment? Yeah I kinda do, but that would not motivate me to spend thirty minutes to write whatever the fuck this rant is. What did motivate me to write this is nicotine withdrawal and the stupid narrative about Africa as a societal and economic blackhole where everything that happens is either due to some white guy coming to save us, political corruption or economic backwardness. It is fucking insulting and has these beliefs have real consequences on how people make long term decisions.
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@SidBarret said in Coronavirus - South Africa:
I woke up in foul mood this morning, so I apologise for my tone...
Yeah, we are still waiting for the scientist to confirm whether the buffalo I depend on to get to work can be a carrier of covid.
I can kind of accept that people don't know how Africa operates; I have made the point in this very thread that news coverage of Africa poor. But it still astounds me that someone would make a statement like the below, in thread where the lack of good information is being discussed.
A relatively low reliance on public transport is likely to be the Continent's get out of jail card, given PT (including air travel) is main conduit for CV transmission
I can't speak as an expert on transport in all of Africa, because you know, I am not a transportation economist and Africa is fucking big place. I was even trying to find a headline figure on how many people depend on public transport in Africa, but again, serious researchers avoid generalising across such a large and diverse area.
https://medium.com/impact-engineered/the-african-commute-city-transport-trends-cf369e5106bd
Do I need to find a reputable research paper to suggest that Africans rely heavily on public transport? For the purposes of an rugby chat forum, probably not. What I can confidently comment on is the situation in South Africa and less confidently on Southern and Eastern Africa that people are massively reliant on public transport to get around.
But this rant isn't even about whether Africans rely on public transport or not - it is about the way that people just casually assume that they know something that they are clearly pig ignorant about.
Do I blame @pakman for making a stupid comment? Yeah I kinda do, but that would not motivate me to spend thirty minutes to write whatever the fuck this rant is. What did motivate me to write this is nicotine withdrawal and the stupid narrative about Africa as a societal and economic blackhole where everything that happens is either due to some white guy coming to save us, political corruption or economic backwardness. It is fucking insulting and has these beliefs have real consequences on how people make long term decisions.
You've got the wrong end of the stick here, by failing to appreciate the significance of the word relatively.
Interested to know if you're aware of any African public transport system to rival NYC subway or London Underground in terms of major population density.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - South Africa:
@SidBarret said in Coronavirus - South Africa:
I woke up in foul mood this morning, so I apologise for my tone...
Yeah, we are still waiting for the scientist to confirm whether the buffalo I depend on to get to work can be a carrier of covid.
I can kind of accept that people don't know how Africa operates; I have made the point in this very thread that news coverage of Africa poor. But it still astounds me that someone would make a statement like the below, in thread where the lack of good information is being discussed.
A relatively low reliance on public transport is likely to be the Continent's get out of jail card, given PT (including air travel) is main conduit for CV transmission
I can't speak as an expert on transport in all of Africa, because you know, I am not a transportation economist and Africa is fucking big place. I was even trying to find a headline figure on how many people depend on public transport in Africa, but again, serious researchers avoid generalising across such a large and diverse area.
https://medium.com/impact-engineered/the-african-commute-city-transport-trends-cf369e5106bd
Do I need to find a reputable research paper to suggest that Africans rely heavily on public transport? For the purposes of an rugby chat forum, probably not. What I can confidently comment on is the situation in South Africa and less confidently on Southern and Eastern Africa that people are massively reliant on public transport to get around.
But this rant isn't even about whether Africans rely on public transport or not - it is about the way that people just casually assume that they know something that they are clearly pig ignorant about.
Do I blame @pakman for making a stupid comment? Yeah I kinda do, but that would not motivate me to spend thirty minutes to write whatever the fuck this rant is. What did motivate me to write this is nicotine withdrawal and the stupid narrative about Africa as a societal and economic blackhole where everything that happens is either due to some white guy coming to save us, political corruption or economic backwardness. It is fucking insulting and has these beliefs have real consequences on how people make long term decisions.
You've got the wrong end of the stick here, by failing to appreciate the significance of the word relatively.
Interested to know if you're aware of any African public transport system to rival NYC subway or London Underground in terms of major population density.
If you've ever been on a bus in Morocco or Kenya you'll know how a sardine feels.
One got it, all get it.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - South Africa:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - South Africa:
@SidBarret said in Coronavirus - South Africa:
I woke up in foul mood this morning, so I apologise for my tone...
Yeah, we are still waiting for the scientist to confirm whether the buffalo I depend on to get to work can be a carrier of covid.
I can kind of accept that people don't know how Africa operates; I have made the point in this very thread that news coverage of Africa poor. But it still astounds me that someone would make a statement like the below, in thread where the lack of good information is being discussed.
A relatively low reliance on public transport is likely to be the Continent's get out of jail card, given PT (including air travel) is main conduit for CV transmission
I can't speak as an expert on transport in all of Africa, because you know, I am not a transportation economist and Africa is fucking big place. I was even trying to find a headline figure on how many people depend on public transport in Africa, but again, serious researchers avoid generalising across such a large and diverse area.
https://medium.com/impact-engineered/the-african-commute-city-transport-trends-cf369e5106bd
Do I need to find a reputable research paper to suggest that Africans rely heavily on public transport? For the purposes of an rugby chat forum, probably not. What I can confidently comment on is the situation in South Africa and less confidently on Southern and Eastern Africa that people are massively reliant on public transport to get around.
But this rant isn't even about whether Africans rely on public transport or not - it is about the way that people just casually assume that they know something that they are clearly pig ignorant about.
Do I blame @pakman for making a stupid comment? Yeah I kinda do, but that would not motivate me to spend thirty minutes to write whatever the fuck this rant is. What did motivate me to write this is nicotine withdrawal and the stupid narrative about Africa as a societal and economic blackhole where everything that happens is either due to some white guy coming to save us, political corruption or economic backwardness. It is fucking insulting and has these beliefs have real consequences on how people make long term decisions.
You've got the wrong end of the stick here, by failing to appreciate the significance of the word relatively.
Interested to know if you're aware of any African public transport system to rival NYC subway or London Underground in terms of major population density.
If you've ever been on a bus in Morocco or Kenya you'll know how a sardine feels.
One got it, all get it.
A bit like trains in India! I think it boils down to the volume of people traveling on public transport daily. In Europe, the areas where public transport volumes are lowest have very low CV numbers. Public transport is the main conduit. Add in air transport hubs and no wonder the big cities in France/Spain/Italy/UK have been hit so hard.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - South Africa:
@SidBarret said in Coronavirus - South Africa:
I woke up in foul mood this morning, so I apologise for my tone...
Yeah, we are still waiting for the scientist to confirm whether the buffalo I depend on to get to work can be a carrier of covid.
I can kind of accept that people don't know how Africa operates; I have made the point in this very thread that news coverage of Africa poor. But it still astounds me that someone would make a statement like the below, in thread where the lack of good information is being discussed.
A relatively low reliance on public transport is likely to be the Continent's get out of jail card, given PT (including air travel) is main conduit for CV transmission
I can't speak as an expert on transport in all of Africa, because you know, I am not a transportation economist and Africa is fucking big place. I was even trying to find a headline figure on how many people depend on public transport in Africa, but again, serious researchers avoid generalising across such a large and diverse area.
https://medium.com/impact-engineered/the-african-commute-city-transport-trends-cf369e5106bd
Do I need to find a reputable research paper to suggest that Africans rely heavily on public transport? For the purposes of an rugby chat forum, probably not. What I can confidently comment on is the situation in South Africa and less confidently on Southern and Eastern Africa that people are massively reliant on public transport to get around.
But this rant isn't even about whether Africans rely on public transport or not - it is about the way that people just casually assume that they know something that they are clearly pig ignorant about.
Do I blame @pakman for making a stupid comment? Yeah I kinda do, but that would not motivate me to spend thirty minutes to write whatever the fuck this rant is. What did motivate me to write this is nicotine withdrawal and the stupid narrative about Africa as a societal and economic blackhole where everything that happens is either due to some white guy coming to save us, political corruption or economic backwardness. It is fucking insulting and has these beliefs have real consequences on how people make long term decisions.
You've got the wrong end of the stick here, by failing to appreciate the significance of the word relatively.
Interested to know if you're aware of any African public transport system to rival NYC subway or London Underground in terms of major population density.
This is not how logic works. I have given evidence (my own experience and a quick google), if you disagree with it, please refute it and we can continue the discussion.
You are putting a hypothesis forward with zero support expressly stated in your post, which means we need to guess as to what underpins your claim and my guess at that support is rather unflattering.
I have no issue with you claiming that there is correlation between use of public transport and spread of the virus, it makes sense that it would. If you left it there, it would have been fine (if irrelevant to the topic under discussion). I am not commenting on that part of you comment.
You said
A relatively low reliance on public transport is likely to be the Continent's get out of jail card
The claim is not true. You were comfortable making this statement based on god knows what. These sort of statements seem to be fueled by very poor reporting of the continent. Your next comment is a great example what I am referring to.
A bit like trains in India! I think it boils down to the volume of people traveling on public transport daily. In Europe, the areas where public transport volumes are lowest have very low CV numbers. Public transport is the main conduit. Add in air transport hubs and no wonder the big cities in France/Spain/Italy/UK have been hit so hard.
You are willing to differentiate between urban and rural areas in first world countries, but somehow an entire continent can be dealt with as unitary whole. Its bullshit, lazy and stupid. Stop doing it.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - South Africa:
You've got the wrong end of the stick here, by failing to appreciate the significance of the word relatively.
Interested to know if you're aware of any African public transport system to rival NYC subway or London Underground in terms of major population density.
You've clearly never seen the matatu system in action. It's basically a game of how many people can you fit in a Toyota Hiace.
In terms of density, it's easy inline with a lot of the worlds mass transit systems.
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