Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I thought Bridges had some good questions in the House, but he got mauled by Jacinda, as did Duncan Garner when he asked similar questions.
She is untouchable right now
Indeed. TBF, Bridges knows that the government is acting on expert advice and that a National government would act similarly, so he is mostly playing to the base currently. Obviously if he can get a few changes and nudges in his preferred direction, he'll take the wins, but he knows he isn't likely to get major shifts.
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@canefan was that Garner who got "slammed" for daring to ask questions when he's not even a qualified epidemiologist? I thought that was a bit off....
I can't imagine getting on a bus and daring to ask the driver where it was going, lest he/she think I'm all of a sudden a TFL route planner.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I thought Bridges had some good questions in the House, but he got mauled by Jacinda, as did Duncan Garner when he asked similar questions.
She is untouchable right now
Indeed. TBF, Bridges knows that the government is acting on expert advice and that a National government would act similarly, so he is mostly playing to the base currently. Obviously if he can get a few changes and nudges in his preferred direction, he'll take the wins, but he knows he isn't likely to get major shifts.
His only hope is that there is widespread economic pain that angers people enough to turn away from the government. I'm not sure that will happen frankly. She has built significant capital now
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan was that Garner who got "slammed" for daring to ask questions when he's not even a qualified epidemiologist? I thought that was a bit off....
I can't imagine getting on a bus and daring to ask the driver where it was going, lest he/she think I'm all of a sudden a TFL route planner.
I wonder how many people on here will understand what TFL is.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I thought Bridges had some good questions in the House, but he got mauled by Jacinda, as did Duncan Garner when he asked similar questions.
She is untouchable right now
Indeed. TBF, Bridges knows that the government is acting on expert advice and that a National government would act similarly, so he is mostly playing to the base currently. Obviously if he can get a few changes and nudges in his preferred direction, he'll take the wins, but he knows he isn't likely to get major shifts.
His only hope is that there is widespread economic pain that angers people enough to turn away from the government. I'm not sure that will happen frankly. She has built significant capital now
Just give her another term now and save the country the cost of an election. Bridges has turned a lot of National voters away, even before Coved-19. This will be the first time I don't vote national and hopefully he gets the Spanish archer
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I thought Bridges had some good questions in the House, but he got mauled by Jacinda, as did Duncan Garner when he asked similar questions.
She is untouchable right now
Indeed. TBF, Bridges knows that the government is acting on expert advice and that a National government would act similarly, so he is mostly playing to the base currently. Obviously if he can get a few changes and nudges in his preferred direction, he'll take the wins, but he knows he isn't likely to get major shifts.
His only hope is that there is widespread economic pain that angers people enough to turn away from the government. I'm not sure that will happen frankly. She has built significant capital now
Just give her another term now and save the country the cost of an election. Bridges has turned a lot of National voters away, even before Coved-19. This will be the first time I don't vote national and hopefully he gets the Spanish archer
It certainly is reload time. They have some talent left, less than a term removed from government. But they need a new dynamic face on top to capture the imagination. I can't believe I'm saying this but we need Winny to be a factor again to stop them being able to govern alone or with the Greens. They need a handbrake to stop the bus from going off the cliff
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Bones said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan was that Garner who got "slammed" for daring to ask questions when he's not even a qualified epidemiologist? I thought that was a bit off....
I can't imagine getting on a bus and daring to ask the driver where it was going, lest he/she think I'm all of a sudden a TFL route planner.
I wonder how many people on here will understand what TFL is.
I get the feeling most here have spent time in Larrrndan.
I wonder who will know what GFY is...
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Bridges should be concentrating solely on economy now. Totally support the govt in the fight against CV - all pull together in a time of crisis etc but who do you trust to get the economy going again? A party of school teachers and union reps or the friend of business? It his only chance.
Unfortunately he's all over the place. Some days he does this and others he gets all shrill and strident and tries to politicise the pandemic - totally misreading the mood of the electorate.
It's no surprise. He always has been a very limited (dumb) politician. He'd be gone already if National had any options - or any vainglorious enough to want to take on Cindy at the moment
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I thought Bridges had some good questions in the House, but he got mauled by Jacinda, as did Duncan Garner when he asked similar questions.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Unfortunately he's all over the place. Some days he does this and others he gets all shrill and strident and tries to politicise the pandemic - totally misreading the mood of the electorate.
Yep, "barking at every passing car" is a cliche that can be thrown at any opposition politician, but it applies to Bridges far more than most. Long before the pandemic too.
The problem for National is that the current crisis (for now) plays strongly to both Jacinda's strengths and Simon's weaknesses.
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@JC so quality of said questions doesn't come into it? I'm no Bridges fan but have been particularly frustrated by his (extra) poor performance. He's fielded some good questions and discussion as chair of the Covid committee but his other stuff has been a shambles. So there's an added layer of frustration that his own noise is cancelling out the limited good stuff he's doing.
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@booboo she wasn't the one telling him that she had the answers. His hot take was "I've read and heard from overseas experts and others in NZ... why aren't we doing x, y, z?" Quite possible she's heard that a million times now from all and sundry. Doesn't mean she should be a dick about it though... hmm but she was talking to Garner soooooo
I think this edges me ahead of Kirwan for this years white knight standings
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@booboo she wasn't the one telling him that she had the answers. His hot take was "I've read and heard from overseas experts and others in NZ... why aren't we doing x, y, z?" Quite possible she's heard that a million times now from all and sundry. Doesn't mean she should be a dick about it though... hmm but she was talking to Garner soooooo
I think this edges me ahead of Kirwan for this years white knight standings
Hot take? Seems a perfectly reasonable way to ask a question. You're telling me he DIDN'T claim to be an epidemiologist.
Garner: Experts tell me this ...
Adern: Experts tell me that ... -
Like I said I think this hit a sore point of "Sigh, another round of interpretation of various experts' opinions" The hot take bit was just flippant
A key difference is Adern is supported by a team of experts - whereas the rest of us are dealing with expert opinion and research/stats etc as best we can, given whatever nous, skills, knowledge we bring to it. But that's me moving the goalposts!!
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Ardern gets noticably iritable when her decisions get any pushback at all. It's is absolutely vital that journalists and the opposition examine every decision being made in this crisis because of the impact some of them will have.
She just has to put up with it.
Her annoyance is not as important as ensuring the right decisions get made, and if information changes that it's incorporated quickly into our response.