Coronavirus - UK
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
No. The more I look at this, the more angry I get at BoJo's & No. 10's handling of it.
You're deluded mate.
Cummings is calling the shots.
Is that why BoJo disappeared for a bit? Cummings wasn't there with his hand up his arse making the mouth work?
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
Anybody notice the media scrum not observing social distancing?
The very accusation they've levelled at Cummings?🙂
The media just love winding people up.I haven't seen them accusing Cummings of not social distancing, or if they have it is as an aside to him travelling around the country when people were asked not to.
He hasn't committed any great crime worthy of lynching, but in the eyes of many he looks self-entitled and justifying at a time when they have made sacrifices.
I described early on in another thread how a friend of mine over there had lost their father and the situation was may more 'complicated' than Cummings. His mother had to grieve alone. No visits from family to comfort her, was suffering the anguish that goes along with losing your partner of 40 odd years. Had a strong family support network that stayed at home, including her daughters. This was all because they followed the 'stay at home' instruction that Cummings thought had a low threshold of personal importance.
This friend of mine is understandably livid at the bloke, and at Boris for supporting him. He won't be the only one.That's not the press winding people up.That is the press seeking an apology on their behalf.
By all means call me cold hearted, but DC doesn't owe your friend an apology.
One of the biggest problems in all this is that most people haven't actually read the 'rules'. Child care is specified as an area where there will be times in which the default need not apply. I'm pretty sure that comforting a grieving relative has no equivalent language.
If the press had done their homework correctly and fact checked they wouldn't have ever made the story into the shitstorm it's become.
Social distancing and self isolation are the key principles and DC most certainly complied with that.
So this isn't about substance, it's all about spin. DC is exceptional on dealing with substantial issues, but a rank amateur in dealing with the press.
BUT, his government role is nothing to do with the press, it's trying to get the monolith of government effectively tackling the country's major issues. No one has adduced any evidence to suggest that he's no longer capable of fulfilling that role well.
The Government's PR department, on the other hand, has played this abysmally. No easy answers.
The cabinet has put their arms around DC, so unless there's some new factual development he's staying.
Time to move on... lockdown starting to unwind on 1 June: great news!
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - UK:
Jesus wept
Hence the hatred of him. A lot of people just absolutely can't stand him.
That said, some, like me, before yesterday had never heard him speak at any length. He came across, at least to me and my QC mate, as quite a straightforward bloke, rather than the egomaniacal monster Remoaners see him as.
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew as per my post. It is about the optics far more than the details.
The story about a 30 mile drive to test your eyes is only made more farcical but him expecting that it could be sold. Does he really think the public is that gullible.
To your point, do the party media advisors think that story was saleable?What if it was the truth? My sense was that he was getting it in the neck from his wife that he wasn't well enough to drive.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
No. The more I look at this, the more angry I get at BoJo's & No. 10's handling of it.
You're deluded mate.
Cummings is calling the shots.
No doubt in my mind that BoJo's in charge. And to give him some credit he's not sacrificed DC to the mob based on its misunderstanding of the rules, something which many 'great' politicians would have done.
But whoever's been giving BoJo advice on dealing with the press ought to be polishing his CV.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
Lack of support? I think the last few days destroys that theory ... Boris is risking everything to support him.
I was more referring to when his wife was ill and he was concerned about his kid and when when he was in Durham.
Did no-one think to call him and check out the situation he was in, both personally and politically and review/provide advice on the situation when he came back?
It's a matter of looking after your staff when they are in a tricky situation and not being so cavalier with the public's perception and how they have gone along with the advice.
That's what pisses me off about Johnson and how this has been handled.
Fair call.
Media has shown this morning that they aren't going to let this go, and will continue the harassment until they have ousted Johnson & his entire cabinet.
Morgan himself has basically confirmed it.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew as per my post. It is about the optics far more than the details.
The story about a 30 mile drive to test your eyes is only made more farcical but him expecting that it could be sold. Does he really think the public is that gullible.
To your point, do the party media advisors think that story was saleable?What if it was the truth? My sense was that he was getting it in the neck from his wife that he wasn't well enough to drive.
Really. Going for a drive of that length to somehow test eyesight just makes fuck all sense. It smacks heavily of a made up story.
“Darling, I don’t think your eyesight is good enough to drive to London, you might be a danger on the road. I tell you what, let’s put the kids in the car and drive 30 miles to test if they are ok. If you crash then we know they aren’t.”
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew as per my post. It is about the optics far more than the details.
The story about a 30 mile drive to test your eyes is only made more farcical but him expecting that it could be sold. Does he really think the public is that gullible.
To your point, do the party media advisors think that story was saleable?What if it was the truth? My sense was that he was getting it in the neck from his wife that he wasn't well enough to drive.
Really. Going for a drive of that length to somehow test eyesight just makes fuck all sense. It smacks heavily of a made up story.
“Darling, I don’t think your eyesight is good enough to drive to London, you might be a danger on the road. I tell you what, let’s put the kids in the car and drive 30 miles to test if they are ok. If you crash then we know they aren’t.”
Yeah. The story is buyable ... right up until he talks about going for a drive to test his eyesight. Then it completely falls apart.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
Anybody notice the media scrum not observing social distancing?
The very accusation they've levelled at Cummings?🙂
The media just love winding people up.I haven't seen them accusing Cummings of not social distancing, or if they have it is as an aside to him travelling around the country when people were asked not to.
He hasn't committed any great crime worthy of lynching, but in the eyes of many he looks self-entitled and justifying at a time when they have made sacrifices.
I described early on in another thread how a friend of mine over there had lost their father and the situation was may more 'complicated' than Cummings. His mother had to grieve alone. No visits from family to comfort her, was suffering the anguish that goes along with losing your partner of 40 odd years. Had a strong family support network that stayed at home, including her daughters. This was all because they followed the 'stay at home' instruction that Cummings thought had a low threshold of personal importance.
This friend of mine is understandably livid at the bloke, and at Boris for supporting him. He won't be the only one.That's not the press winding people up.That is the press seeking an apology on their behalf.
One of the biggest problems in all this is that most people haven't actually read the 'rules'. Child care is specified as an area where there will be times in which the default need not apply.
If the press had done their homework correctly and fact checked they wouldn't have ever made the story into the shitstorm it's become.Social distancing and self isolation are the key principles and DC most certainly complied with that.
So this isn't about substance, it's all about spin. DC is exceptional on dealing with substantial issues, but a rank amateur in dealing with the press.
From a nurse friend working on the frontline
"if he’d bothered to ring 111 like the rest of us and reported his wife had symptoms they would have told her to self isolate at home for 7 days and for him & the son to isolate for 14 days.
There is no reason to leave home with symptoms other than to attend hospital or for a Cv19 test.
If an emergency crew were attending a known Cv19 case isolating at home they would wear appropriate PPE.
They would not expect to be dealing with an active case during a car crash because they should be self isolating at home. Neither would the AA/RAC or similar.
My concern about this situation is that it has effectively undermined public confidence in any future lockdown that may become necessary if there is a second wave."
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew as per my post. It is about the optics far more than the details.
The story about a 30 mile drive to test your eyes is only made more farcical but him expecting that it could be sold. Does he really think the public is that gullible.
To your point, do the party media advisors think that story was saleable?What if it was the truth? My sense was that he was getting it in the neck from his wife that he wasn't well enough to drive.
Really. Going for a drive of that length to somehow test eyesight just makes fuck all sense. It smacks heavily of a made up story.
“Darling, I don’t think your eyesight is good enough to drive to London, you might be a danger on the road. I tell you what, let’s put the kids in the car and drive 30 miles to test if they are ok. If you crash then we know they aren’t.”
Well no Fernie would ever use that story, so don't ask me to defend it!
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - UK:
Jesus wept
Hence the hatred of him. A lot of people just absolutely can't stand him.
That said, some, like me, before yesterday had never heard him speak at any length. He came across, at least to me and my QC mate, as quite a straightforward bloke, rather than the egomaniacal monster Remoaners see him as.
Oh definitely. I was asking the other half wtf Cummings was and why this was such a big deal when this all started and had to be reminded that I'd seen Cumberbatch play him. "Ohhhh, that guy. So it's not really about what he's done this time then".
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
From a nurse friend working on the frontline
"if he’d bothered to ring 111 like the rest of us and reported his wife had symptoms they would have told her to self isolate at home for 7 days and for him & the son to isolate for 14 days.
Far be it for me to stick up for Cummings ..... but what happens if both her / DC get incapacitated by Covid to the childcare for their son?
There is no reason to leave home with symptoms other than to attend hospital or for a Cv19 test.
So the son just has to fend for himself?
If an emergency crew were attending a known Cv19 case isolating at home they would wear appropriate PPE.
They would not expect to be dealing with an active case during a car crash because they should be self isolating at home. Neither would the AA/RAC or similar.
And that, is a good point.
My concern about this situation is that it has effectively undermined public confidence in any future lockdown that may become necessary if there is a second wave."
I think we all know this is a made up position by people which are in synch with their own political views. Same as my made up position of people using common sense.
Sorry, I'm just getting a bit bored of views from NHS workers. That sentence in itself is a bit rough but it's very easy to take the moral high ground when ultimately not one single one of them has been held to account for any of the fuck ups they have made throughout this crisis.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
Anybody notice the media scrum not observing social distancing?
The very accusation they've levelled at Cummings?🙂
The media just love winding people up.I haven't seen them accusing Cummings of not social distancing, or if they have it is as an aside to him travelling around the country when people were asked not to.
He hasn't committed any great crime worthy of lynching, but in the eyes of many he looks self-entitled and justifying at a time when they have made sacrifices.
I described early on in another thread how a friend of mine over there had lost their father and the situation was may more 'complicated' than Cummings. His mother had to grieve alone. No visits from family to comfort her, was suffering the anguish that goes along with losing your partner of 40 odd years. Had a strong family support network that stayed at home, including her daughters. This was all because they followed the 'stay at home' instruction that Cummings thought had a low threshold of personal importance.
This friend of mine is understandably livid at the bloke, and at Boris for supporting him. He won't be the only one.That's not the press winding people up.That is the press seeking an apology on their behalf.
One of the biggest problems in all this is that most people haven't actually read the 'rules'. Child care is specified as an area where there will be times in which the default need not apply.
If the press had done their homework correctly and fact checked they wouldn't have ever made the story into the shitstorm it's become.Social distancing and self isolation are the key principles and DC most certainly complied with that.
So this isn't about substance, it's all about spin. DC is exceptional on dealing with substantial issues, but a rank amateur in dealing with the press.
From a nurse friend working on the frontline
"if he’d bothered to ring 111 like the rest of us and reported his wife had symptoms they would have told her to self isolate at home for 7 days and for him & the son to isolate for 14 days.
There is no reason to leave home with symptoms other than to attend hospital or for a Cv19 test.
If an emergency crew were attending a known Cv19 case isolating at home they would wear appropriate PPE.
They would not expect to be dealing with an active case during a car crash because they should be self isolating at home. Neither would the AA/RAC or similar.
My concern about this situation is that it has effectively undermined public confidence in any future lockdown that may become necessary if there is a second wave."
That may have been the advice the NHS would have given, but it doesn't reflect the regulations, which it seems he'd checked. He made sensible arrangements for looking after his child. The long drive did run an exceptionally low risk of an accident, which would have been an issue, but drove to isolation without stopping. If everyone acted so responsibly we'd all be better off.
In terms of second wave messaging, I do accept there's an impact. But maybe a bigger one is that the evidence is becoming indisputable that the under 50s, without a major existing health risk, could just get on with life and completely ignore the virus without increasing their personal risk more than a smidgeon.
At some point that knowledge is going to lead to serious resistance to a second general lockdown, if it were to be on the agenda.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
Far be it for me to stick up for Cummings ..... but what happens if both her / DC get incapacitated by Covid to the childcare for their son?
Duh. Drop it off to the Auntie who we know nothing about. I mean she's a shit auntie because he drove 260 miles away from her. Or perhaps not able to look after his kid, but probably just a shit aunty.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
Lack of support? I think the last few days destroys that theory ... Boris is risking everything to support him.
Did no-one think to call him and check out the situation he was in, both personally and politically and review/provide advice on the situation when he came back?
It's a matter of looking after your staff when they are in a tricky situation and not being so cavalier with the public's perception and how they have gone along with the advice.
That's what pisses me off about Johnson and how this has been handled.>
It might possibly be that the childcare issue was a load of bollocks and no support was offered because none was asked for or needed. A simple thing for Cummings to do to deflect much would be to show the results of the tests on him and his wife. Negative or positive it would show that he had those fears. That is of course if they were actually tested.
There is so much about his story that does not add up but if his story is genuine so much that should be easy to prove. But he really gave us nothing.
The shitstorm would be over if people believed the story (media aside), the trouble is many people do not believe it. If you look at the polarised views on here, the differentiator is not about the rules or the morality of looking after one's child, it is believe or not.
I do not.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
From a nurse friend working on the frontline
"if he’d bothered to ring 111 like the rest of us and reported his wife had symptoms they would have told her to self isolate at home for 7 days and for him & the son to isolate for 14 days.There is no reason to leave home with symptoms other than to attend hospital or for a Cv19 test."
Mrs M's daughter is a paediatric nurse who runs the clinical side of a respite home.
They've had situations where parents of her patients have had Covid symptoms, and their strong advice has always been to do what's best for the child at all times and, If in doubt, put the child first. Follow the rules where you can, but the child's welfare is absolutely paramount.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
The shitstorm would be over if people believed the story (media aside), the trouble is many people do not believe it. If you look at the polarised views on here, the differentiator is not about the rules or the morality of looking after one's child, it is believe or not.
It's less whether the story is believable but about Johnson's credibility, competence and how he manages No.10.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
The shitstorm would be over if people believed the story (media aside), the trouble is many people do not believe it. If you look at the polarised views on here, the differentiator is not about the rules or the morality of looking after one's child, it is believe or not.
It's less whether the story is believable but about Johnson's credibility, competence and how he manages No.10.
They are one and the same.
If it's the truth then Johnson is justified in supporting his man and his actions.
If it's a pack of lies, then he's not. And by passing it off he loses the credibility to manage No. 10
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
The shitstorm would be over if people believed the story (media aside), the trouble is many people do not believe it. If you look at the polarised views on here, the differentiator is not about the rules or the morality of looking after one's child, it is believe or not.
It's less whether the story is believable but about Johnson's credibility, competence and how he manages No.10.
They are one and the same.
If it's the truth then Johnson is justified in supporting his man and his actions.
If it's a pack of lies, then he's not. And by passing it off he loses the credibility to manage No. 10
You guys have both forgotten the salient point.
If it's the truth, does anybody believe it anyway?
People, including media, have made up their minds already. This whole thing is utterly pointless, apart from ensuring that those who are against Johnson, have more ammunition to throw at him.
And this is his own fault.
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