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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
Trump did the same
Except that Trump didn't do the same
He didn't threaten to withhold money. And he gave Ukraine the OK to investigate possible corruption (after the Ukrainian President brought it up). Not stop it.
So one wants to indirectly stop an investigation involving his son. The other gives the Ok to go ahead. But guess who the fake-news media and the democrats gun for
I really don't know if I'm I trying to discuss with the deluded or insane.
I was talking about Biden's threat to withhold senate approved money. Trump actually did withhold Senate approved money.How do you know what Biden was doing? The Hunter thing may well have been a welcome side effect but Biden was under instruction to get rid of Shokin. " it was the position of the U.S. government, as well as the European Union and international financial institutions"
Here's the actual transcript in question. Its this call that's the key not all the extra stuff. This is where it supposedly all started from. Read it yourself and not the fake news media that just make stuff up. Or selectively take evidence from one 'witness' and ignore contradictions from other witnesses
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/trump-ukraine-phone-call-transcript-text-pdf-1510770
How could a such phone call like this lead to all the bullshit.
and withholding money. He didn't 9. The money was released. He certainly didn't bring up withholding money on the call
Whereas Biden did do this. Fire the prosecutor or you won't get the money. There's a whole lot of other bullshit around this but don't just rely on the fake news media. Often they just make stuff up
"but Biden was under instruction to get rid of Shokin."
From who. He was the vice president FFS. Not some office junior
But this will be my last post on this. You seem to read or listen to fake news (including the BBC) and accept it without question as the truth
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
Trump did the same
Except that Trump didn't do the same
He didn't threaten to withhold money. And he gave Ukraine the OK to investigate possible corruption (after the Ukrainian President brought it up). Not stop it.
So one wants to indirectly stop an investigation involving his son. The other gives the Ok to go ahead. But guess who the fake-news media and the democrats gun for
I really don't know if I'm I trying to discuss with the deluded or insane.
I was talking about Biden's threat to withhold senate approved money. Trump actually did withhold Senate approved money.How do you know what Biden was doing? The Hunter thing may well have been a welcome side effect but Biden was under instruction to get rid of Shokin. " it was the position of the U.S. government, as well as the European Union and international financial institutions"
Here's the actual transcript in question. Its this call that's the key not all the extra stuff. This is where it supposedly all started from. Read it yourself and not the fake news media that just make stuff up. Or selectively take evidence from one 'witness' and ignore contradictions from other witnesses
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/25/trump-ukraine-phone-call-transcript-text-pdf-1510770
How could a such phone call like this lead to all the bullshit.
and withholding money. He didn't 9. The money was released. He certainly didn't bring up withholding money on the call
Whereas Biden did do this. Fire the prosecutor or you won't get the money. There's a whole lot of other bullshit around this but don't just rely on the fake news media. Often they just make stuff up
"but Biden was under instruction to get rid of Shokin."
From who. He was the vice president FFS. Not some office junior
But this will be my last post on this. You seem to read or listen to fake news (including the BBC) and accept it without question as the truth
The money was released eventually after being illegally stopped 90 minutes after that “sweetness and light” own version of the transcript.
Nothing in that is fake news, it is actual fact.You think the VP doesn’t get directed by others as to policy? That other parties don’t ask for things to be done then decisions get made?
All I’m asking is that if you are happy to waive away Trumps deeds then stop criticising similar from Biden. Or alternatively apply the same yardstick to both.
No one here is claiming that Biden is squeaky clean. Just judging the stink of the shit they all roll in.
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@Tim
I believe Occasional Cortex has ... great tits.I do wish she would just ... splendid boobs.
What she has done is ... shows us yer bits dear!
My prognosis about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is ... very arousing
The most important issue is ... sigh!
In the election in November she would be well advised to ... dance topless
They are bloody good!!!
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@Bones said in US Politics:
@Tim said in US Politics:
Boobs.
Lock the thread, it's done. Goes out in peak fern style.
I wonder if Biden gets an opinion on who is running mate will be.
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Bones said in US Politics:
@Tim said in US Politics:
Boobs.
Lock the thread, it's done. Goes out in peak fern style.
I wonder if Biden gets an opinion on who is running mate will be.
Yes, but it won't be her as she isn't eligible to be president (too young).
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@Godder said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Bones said in US Politics:
@Tim said in US Politics:
Boobs.
Lock the thread, it's done. Goes out in peak fern style.
I wonder if Biden gets an opinion on who is running mate will be.
Yes, but it won't be her as she isn't eligible to be president (too young).
Looks old enough for me.
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There’s funny then there’s sick.
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@Godder said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Bones said in US Politics:
@Tim said in US Politics:
Boobs.
Lock the thread, it's done. Goes out in peak fern style.
I wonder if Biden gets an opinion on who is running mate will be.
Yes, but it won't be her as she isn't eligible to be president (too young).
Not to mention she would lead the nation to rack and ruin.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Godder said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Bones said in US Politics:
@Tim said in US Politics:
Boobs.
Lock the thread, it's done. Goes out in peak fern style.
I wonder if Biden gets an opinion on who is running mate will be.
Yes, but it won't be her as she isn't eligible to be president (too young).
Not to mention she would lead the nation to rack and ruin.
See what you did there. I think they might be there already and are being lead by a boob, (or tit) but certainly would be a better rack with her in charge.
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@reprobate said in US Politics:
@Godder said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
@Bones said in US Politics:
@Tim said in US Politics:
Boobs.
Lock the thread, it's done. Goes out in peak fern style.
I wonder if Biden gets an opinion on who is running mate will be.
Yes, but it won't be her as she isn't eligible to be president (too young).
Not to mention she would lead the nation to rack and ruin.
I doubt it, their system doesn't let anyone do anything.
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If we are judging the past by today's standards does context to this matter? Would it if it were Trump speaking?
It is Biden quoting someone else but how easy this could be taken the wrong way. Full clip:
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From what I can see so far both campaigns are basically:
Trump: "at least I'm not Biden!"
Biden: "at least I'm not Trump!"
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This is the Trump campaign argument.
It is based on the idea the Democrat controlled cities are seeing all the violence.In my opinion, Trump doesn't want to federalize the National Guard via the Insurrection Act because it is his belief the Dem Governors and mayors will undercut him and he will be blamed for subsequent violence. It's a brutal calculation. Right now he is slipping in the polls, but a few moths in politics is a long time.
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A few days in politics is a long time as well.
If evidence comes to light that Trump was briefed on Putin paying a “bounty” on US troops that will be the end of him. Even his senate support won’t be able to ignore that.
My guess is that this is incompetence rather than conspiracy. It is well known that he demands stripped down briefings and even then doesn’t take them in. The intelligence community has almost given up on him.
This, however, goes further. This is the commander in chief apparently ignoring the fact that a foreign leader that he promotes is incentivising the killing of US soldiers.
He’ll try and spin this all over the place but there are already cracks showing and top GOP senators are asking for answers.
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