Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Two straight questions: (i) how many NZ passports are there; and (ii) how many passport holders live outside NZ?
Used to be said when population was 4m, that there were 4m passport holders outside NZ.
One would hope that info would be online, but it doesn't seem to be easily accessible. Looking through DIA reports, I would estimate 3.5 million or so passports in circulation based on numbers issued in the past 5 years, but that will be able to be updated after the DIA annual report for 2019-2020 is published. Citizens in and and out of NZ also isn't obviously online, so I asked Stats NZ that question.
Thanks. Will be interesting to see response!
Stats NZ replied, apparently they don't know how many citizens there are.
She'll be right, mate!
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Are we that screwed without open borders? If it becomes the new normal and people get used to domestic tourism, perhaps with the Aussies and the Pacific, won't the economy pivot?
That's like asking everyone to scale back their lives by 20%. Can we "pivot" there? Maybe. Will it be good? Nope. It's significant unemployment and reduced GDP in a world where we have a hugely inflated government debt. It's really not good.
The Aussies are really key, we need that corridor open. And I worry we need them more than they need us.
I said it a month or so ago, I just don't know what we are shooting for here. What's the end game? How do we get back to some sense of normal? Absent a vaccine or an immediate test, we just have a massively reduced economy and a shut border. We just have to develop an appetite for Covid on some level or else we are looking at some socialist island life that I don't think we have signed up for.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The Aussies are really key, we need that corridor open. And I worry we need them more than they need us.
think that has been the case all along, when talk of a Pacific Island bubble was being mooted, it was not as appealing as it would be mainly one way (more so than Aus to NZ)
Agree though, it'd be nice to have some kind of long term strategy, even if it needs to be changed in 2 months as things evolve, I think people need something to aim towards, right now, there is nothing.
And then we see this in the media...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/121990526/researchers-find-new-swine-flulike-virus-in-pigs
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The Aussies are really key, we need that corridor open. And I worry we need them more than they need us.
think that has been the case all along, when talk of a Pacific Island bubble was being mooted, it was not as appealing as it would be mainly one way (more so than Aus to NZ)
Agree though, it'd be nice to have some kind of long term strategy, even if it needs to be changed in 2 months as things evolve, I think people need something to aim towards, right now, there is nothing.
And then we see this in the media...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/121990526/researchers-find-new-swine-flulike-virus-in-pigs
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The Aussies are really key, we need that corridor open. And I worry we need them more than they need us.
think that has been the case all along, when talk of a Pacific Island bubble was being mooted, it was not as appealing as it would be mainly one way (more so than Aus to NZ)
Agree though, it'd be nice to have some kind of long term strategy, even if it needs to be changed in 2 months as things evolve, I think people need something to aim towards, right now, there is nothing.
And then we see this in the media...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/121990526/researchers-find-new-swine-flulike-virus-in-pigs
Fuck!!! I just ate a pork loin roast for dinner!!
I'm totally screwed now.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Are we that screwed without open borders? If it becomes the new normal and people get used to domestic tourism, perhaps with the Aussies and the Pacific, won't the economy pivot?
That's like asking everyone to scale back their lives by 20%. Can we "pivot" there? Maybe. Will it be good? Nope. It's significant unemployment and reduced GDP in a world where we have a hugely inflated government debt. It's really not good.
The Aussies are really key, we need that corridor open. And I worry we need them more than they need us.
I said it a month or so ago, I just don't know what we are shooting for here. What's the end game? How do we get back to some sense of normal? Absent a vaccine or an immediate test, we just have a massively reduced economy and a shut border. We just have to develop an appetite for Covid on some level or else we are looking at some socialist island life that I don't think we have signed up for.
Even the biggest estimates of international tourism and education don't come to 20% of GDP, and the actual jobs in those industries are often low wage, low hour garbage.
International education as we practise it is an abomination unto mankind - come one, come all, and unscrupulous people sell it as a pathway to residence in NZ, except a lot of the courses actually aren't. It is an absolute national and international disgrace and we are complicit in the total destruction of lives and wealth, sometimes of every penny whole families can muster for their children.
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@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
International education as we practise it is an abomination unto mankind - come one, come all, and unscrupulous people sell it as a pathway to residence in NZ, except a lot of the courses actually aren't
Australia really isn't much different. So much dodgy stuff goes on with internationals and the Oz govt just looks the other way.
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@voodoo there is another option which I have always thought the most likely outcome; which is that treatments for COVID become available that turn it from "the plague" into something much less frightening that allows us to relax enough to resume normal life.
Something that means effective treatments lower the mortality rate dramatically. I think this is much more achievable in the short term than the holy grail of a workable vaccine. So a hydroxychlorine that actually works.
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@Nepia said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
International education as we practise it is an abomination unto mankind - come one, come all, and unscrupulous people sell it as a pathway to residence in NZ, except a lot of the courses actually aren't
Australia really isn't much different. So much dodgy stuff goes on with internationals and the Oz govt just looks the other way.
Yep, I remember reading an article in The Australian a few years ago where you could have done a Find & Replace to swap "Australia" for "New Zealand" and the issues raised would have been identical. Unfortunately for both places, and for the students affected...
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Tourism (domestic and international) was 5.8% of GDP last year. Indirect flow effects account for another 4.3 %. Fuck screwing over the other 90% of the economy to start the international part of that up again. When Australia gets their shit together, then maybe just them, for the 40% of total tourism the Aussies bring to the party
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@Stockcar86 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Fuck screwing over the other 90% of the economy
Yep. That won't happen. Doing the same thing again and expecting a different result might lead to people thinking they are incompetent idiots, and rather a lot of civil disobedience from those that are trying to keep themselves afloat.
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Banner on front page of Stuff
Click on it and it takes you to below
have to scroll down through the stuff to get to the bit where they breifly talk about reviewing compassionate exemptions... -
FFS, a woman escaped from isolation last night for about 2 hours...she should be fucking jailed for at least 30 days now!
Police now need to do contact tracing...what an absolute fluffybunny of a person!
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
FFS, a woman escaped from isolation last night for about 2 hours...she should be fucking jailed for at least 30 days now!
Police now need to do contact tracing...what an absolute fluffybunny of a person!
Scaled a wall apparently? Should be a huge fine, more for a deterrant than a punishment
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo maybe just extend her isolation period, behind some bars...public endangerment!!
At her own expense!!!
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12345607
To be fair, I'd be pretty livid myself, if it turned out the airline had overbooked a flight, and because of that - I had to not only wait 2 or 3 days, but also pay the costs.
FFS - Air NZ - if you've overbooked (sure - standard practice, in the past - perhaps time to rethink that) - at least pay for the accom/meals of passengers you boot off.Edit - and no, I didn't read the full article. I'm sure there's something in there to thoroughly invalidate my understandng of the situation, and therefore my pissed-up opinion.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Kruse shit Air NZ are shooting themselves in the feet repeatedly right now
It's insurance and the Canterbury earthquakes all over again... They can eat small losses here and there, but when something big happens, they are suddenly cutting corners everywhere.