Coronavirus - Australia
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
For all the breathless carry on there are 18 serious cases
But..but, our intensive care units are going to be swamped...
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@ACT-Crusader said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
For all the breathless carry on there are 18 serious cases
But..but, our intensive care units are going to be swamped...
And we accepted the lockdown so it could provide healthcare the time to ramp up resources and prevent it being overwhelmed.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@ACT-Crusader said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
For all the breathless carry on there are 18 serious cases
But..but, our intensive care units are going to be swamped...
And we accepted the lockdown so it could provide healthcare the time to ramp up resources and prevent it being overwhelmed.
we all know that narrative changed some time in May.
Given a massive number of the new identified cases are apparently asymptomatic, would a similar ramp up in testing elsewhere in Australia give similar results?
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@mariner4life we had a period a bit over a fortnight ago when our testing numbers spiked to new highs, but didnt result in any cases, so not sure it is always that straight forward.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life we had a period a bit over a fortnight ago when our testing numbers spiked to new highs, but didnt result in any cases, so not sure it is always that straight forward.
fair point. Different scenarios, but fair point.
I guess everything i am saying is aimed at, where do we go from here? If we are scared of Victorians with Covid, and lock them away, how do we ever open a border to anyone?
What does NZ do?
Or do we just accept that international travel is done for? Because that's retarded. (i know, 2 week ban)
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@mariner4life yeah shes a crazy old world out there, with no one really knowing what is around the corner!
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life we had a period a bit over a fortnight ago when our testing numbers spiked to new highs, but didnt result in any cases, so not sure it is always that straight forward.
fair point. Different scenarios, but fair point.
I guess everything i am saying is aimed at, where do we go from here? If we are scared of Victorians with Covid, and lock them away, how do we ever open a border to anyone?
I got my permit last night. Just hoping shit doesn't go South before I board the plane.
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I say just let it run and warn everyone we'll get clamped down upon if they can't control their stupidity.
The thing is, we're coming up 4 months in to this. It's completely unrealistic to expect people, especially young people, to live like that all of the time.
I'm in my 40s and i went to a restaurant and a bar pretty much the day they opened.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I say just let it run and warn everyone we'll get clamped down upon if they can't control their stupidity.
The thing is, we're coming up 4 months in to this. It's completely unrealistic to expect people, especially young people, to live like that all of the time.
I'm in my 40s and i went to a restaurant and a bar pretty much the day they opened.
You can't control everything, but I'm more thinking about people who are symptomatic - can't help those who are showing nothing
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I say just let it run and warn everyone we'll get clamped down upon if they can't control their stupidity.
The thing is, we're coming up 4 months in to this. It's completely unrealistic to expect people, especially young people, to live like that all of the time.
I'm in my 40s and i went to a restaurant and a bar pretty much the day they opened.
You can't control everything, but I'm more thinking about people who are symptomatic - can't help those who are showing nothing
every rule ever created by mankind has had people assume, or act like, it doesn't apply to them. This will be no different.
Also, some people are just fluffybunnies
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Also, some people are just fluffybunnies
correct, just look over the Ta$man at the 4 fluffybunnies we had in isolation
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The Sydney situation just highlights how hard this thing is to control.
What seems to have happened is someone had been to Melbourne in late June/early July where, unbeknown to them, they picked up the virus.
They come back and head for dinner at the Crossroads Hotel where, again unbeknown to them, they pass the virus on to a handful of others. There's not really any indication the person or the hotel did anything wrong either.
Unfortunately for everyone the Crossroads Hotel is one of those highway pubs which is popular with truckies, interstate travellers, and generally people passing through the area onto other places. So now this thing has spread to the four winds without anyone knowing.
And so now we're waiting nervously for a week to see if anyone tests positive anywhere, and if this cluster has created another cluster somewhere else. As it stands there has been no community transmission, so that's a good thing. Every case can be clearly linked back to the Casula pub that one night.
There's a real reluctance in NSW Cabinet to go back to lockdown given our hospital capacity. I can't help thinking we've got enough data to know the risk areas now - indoor areas like pubs, gyms, restaurants, shops. We can put in harsher rules around those areas while not controlling people's movements to the extent they have done in Victoria.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The Sydney situation just highlights how hard this thing is to control.
What seems to have happened is someone had been to Melbourne in late June/early July where, unbeknown to them, they picked up the virus.
They come back and head for dinner at the Crossroads Hotel where, again unbeknown to them, they pass the virus on to a handful of others. There's not really any indication the person or the hotel did anything wrong either.
Unfortunately for everyone the Crossroads Hotel is one of those highway pubs which is popular with truckies, interstate travellers, and generally people passing through the area onto other places. So now this thing has spread to the four winds without anyone knowing.
And so now we're waiting nervously for a week to see if anyone tests positive anywhere, and if this cluster has created another cluster somewhere else. As it stands there has been no community transmission, so that's a good thing. Every case can be clearly linked back to the Casula pub that one night.
There's a real reluctance in NSW Cabinet to go back to lockdown given our hospital capacity. I can't help thinking we've got enough data to know the risk areas now - indoor areas like pubs, gyms, restaurants, shops. We can put in harsher rules around those areas while not controlling people's movements to the extent they have done in Victoria.
The problem is too many people don't give a shit about the rules/laws even if the govt do decide to apply them properly. For every pub that is doing things well there's a restaurant not giving a shit and just cramming people in.
Hopefully, the Crossroads etc, and other outbreaks have been caught early enough to not have community spread.
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@Nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The Sydney situation just highlights how hard this thing is to control.
What seems to have happened is someone had been to Melbourne in late June/early July where, unbeknown to them, they picked up the virus.
They come back and head for dinner at the Crossroads Hotel where, again unbeknown to them, they pass the virus on to a handful of others. There's not really any indication the person or the hotel did anything wrong either.
Unfortunately for everyone the Crossroads Hotel is one of those highway pubs which is popular with truckies, interstate travellers, and generally people passing through the area onto other places. So now this thing has spread to the four winds without anyone knowing.
And so now we're waiting nervously for a week to see if anyone tests positive anywhere, and if this cluster has created another cluster somewhere else. As it stands there has been no community transmission, so that's a good thing. Every case can be clearly linked back to the Casula pub that one night.
There's a real reluctance in NSW Cabinet to go back to lockdown given our hospital capacity. I can't help thinking we've got enough data to know the risk areas now - indoor areas like pubs, gyms, restaurants, shops. We can put in harsher rules around those areas while not controlling people's movements to the extent they have done in Victoria.
The problem is too many people don't give a shit about the rules/laws even if the govt do decide to apply them properly. For every pub that is doing things well there's a restaurant not giving a shit and just cramming people in.
Hopefully, the Crossroads etc, and other outbreaks have been caught early enough to not have community spread.
That's the kind of attitude that will see them into lockdown again
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@ACT-Crusader said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
For all the breathless carry on there are 18 serious cases
But..but, our intensive care units are going to be swamped...
And we accepted the lockdown so it could provide healthcare the time to ramp up resources and prevent it being overwhelmed.
we all know that narrative changed some time in May.
Given a massive number of the new identified cases are apparently asymptomatic, would a similar ramp up in testing elsewhere in Australia give similar results?
It’s the thing that I reckon some State Premiers are fearing, watching the Victoria situation.
On one hand they have “contained”, but the level of testing in Victoria is extremely high. Almost 30,000 tests in one day, next day peak of 280+ cases.
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