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@antipodean wow
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Updates from Victoria:
Exercising?
People who are isolating at home can no longer leave their property to exercise. Everyone else can use their one hour of exercise as normal.
Stiff shit if you can't get your exercise done within 5km and an hour. Otherwise people will die.
Childcare?
Dan Andrews will discuss childcare with the Prime Minister "It's not so much about whether it's a yes or no [in relation to childcare being open]," Mr Andrews said. "It's about trying to work out what will be the impact be. How many kids will be going to childcare? How many childcare workers will need to move around the community? How much movement will that add? How much will that undermine our general push to have as little movement as possible? "We'll get the clarity as quickly as we possibly can. We'll inform people and we'll try and make it as simple and as easy to understand as we possibly can."
Why do you need childcare if everyone has to stay at home ffs? Why should the country pay for your incompetence? Tax your own State.
Work permits?
Permit to be issued for workers who have to work past the 8:00pm curfew Mr Andrews said a permit would be issued for those who need to be out after 8:00pm from tomorrow. "It's a piece of paper. Your employer fills it out. They sign it. You sign it. You carry it with you and then you're able to demonstrate so there's not a sense of anxiety or a sense of having to tell your story 17 times. "If you're pulled up by police, you can simply provide that piece of paper and then you would be waved on to go about your business."
No loophole there. No sirree.
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@antipodean so that is 0.6 percent dying based on your figures and the number of asymptomatic could make those positives actually higher. That is a train wreck.
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Sweden's approach with a bit more attention to protecting those in rest-homes, is looking smarter by the day. What an absolute clusterfuck.
The govt should be publishing metrics others than Covid cases.
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Sweden's approach with a bit more attention to protecting those in rest-homes, is looking smarter by the day. What an absolute clusterfuck.
The govt should be publishing metrics others than Covid cases.
Jobs lost, mental health calls, domestic abuse etc.Are you just going to keep posting that with the attached asterisk around deaths in rest homes in post after post?
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The govt should be publishing metrics others than Covid cases.
Jobs lost, mental health calls, domestic abuse etc.And in Australia they certainly publish stats on all of those things. Most countries do.
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@antipodean The wife mentioned hearing screaming and walls being punched and kicked. I applied my husband doubtful card and dismissed it as her exaggerating and being dramatic...
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Australia:
We've always known that there might not be a vaccine though. It's just empty rhetoric from the likes of Trump that had anyone thinking otherwise.
there's lots of contemporaneous work going on to develop effective treatments that allow us to live successfully with the virus. That's what I am hoping anyway.
@mariner4life where'd you get that figure from 15% unemployment seems like a sudden jump. they're hoping here to keep it at more like 10-12. I guess we will find out when the subsidies end. - and in the months after that.
i did read today that heavy vehicle kms travelled is actually up in NZ for the last mth cf 2019. A KPI that is usually a good indicator of economic activity
can we please mention trump in every thread? It's great for learning what a dumkhoff he is and who on the fern has the greatest insights on the world.
I reckon I'll pass on a hastily generated vaccine for a disease with a death rate of such miniscule proportions.
Im old enough to register the pitfalls of thalidomide, to name one example of not so thorough testing
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Updates from Victoria:
Exercising?
People who are isolating at home can no longer leave their property to exercise. Everyone else can use their one hour of exercise as normal.
Stiff shit if you can't get your exercise done within 5km and an hour. Otherwise people will die.
Childcare?
Dan Andrews will discuss childcare with the Prime Minister "It's not so much about whether it's a yes or no [in relation to childcare being open]," Mr Andrews said. "It's about trying to work out what will be the impact be. How many kids will be going to childcare? How many childcare workers will need to move around the community? How much movement will that add? How much will that undermine our general push to have as little movement as possible? "We'll get the clarity as quickly as we possibly can. We'll inform people and we'll try and make it as simple and as easy to understand as we possibly can."
Why do you need childcare if everyone has to stay at home ffs? Why should the country pay for your incompetence? Tax your own State.
Work permits?
Permit to be issued for workers who have to work past the 8:00pm curfew Mr Andrews said a permit would be issued for those who need to be out after 8:00pm from tomorrow. "It's a piece of paper. Your employer fills it out. They sign it. You sign it. You carry it with you and then you're able to demonstrate so there's not a sense of anxiety or a sense of having to tell your story 17 times. "If you're pulled up by police, you can simply provide that piece of paper and then you would be waved on to go about your business."
No loophole there. No sirree.
I'm pleasantly surprised they have allowed Racing to continue in Victoria.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Updates from Victoria:
Exercising?
People who are isolating at home can no longer leave their property to exercise. Everyone else can use their one hour of exercise as normal.
Stiff shit if you can't get your exercise done within 5km and an hour. Otherwise people will die.
Childcare?
Dan Andrews will discuss childcare with the Prime Minister "It's not so much about whether it's a yes or no [in relation to childcare being open]," Mr Andrews said. "It's about trying to work out what will be the impact be. How many kids will be going to childcare? How many childcare workers will need to move around the community? How much movement will that add? How much will that undermine our general push to have as little movement as possible? "We'll get the clarity as quickly as we possibly can. We'll inform people and we'll try and make it as simple and as easy to understand as we possibly can."
Why do you need childcare if everyone has to stay at home ffs? Why should the country pay for your incompetence? Tax your own State.
Work permits?
Permit to be issued for workers who have to work past the 8:00pm curfew Mr Andrews said a permit would be issued for those who need to be out after 8:00pm from tomorrow. "It's a piece of paper. Your employer fills it out. They sign it. You sign it. You carry it with you and then you're able to demonstrate so there's not a sense of anxiety or a sense of having to tell your story 17 times. "If you're pulled up by police, you can simply provide that piece of paper and then you would be waved on to go about your business."
No loophole there. No sirree.
I'm pleasantly surprised they have allowed Racing to continue in Victoria.
Racing cannot be killed by conventional weapons
That said, we'll happily run the Cox Plate at Cannon Park
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Updates from Victoria:
Exercising?
People who are isolating at home can no longer leave their property to exercise. Everyone else can use their one hour of exercise as normal.
Stiff shit if you can't get your exercise done within 5km and an hour. Otherwise people will die.
Childcare?
Dan Andrews will discuss childcare with the Prime Minister "It's not so much about whether it's a yes or no [in relation to childcare being open]," Mr Andrews said. "It's about trying to work out what will be the impact be. How many kids will be going to childcare? How many childcare workers will need to move around the community? How much movement will that add? How much will that undermine our general push to have as little movement as possible? "We'll get the clarity as quickly as we possibly can. We'll inform people and we'll try and make it as simple and as easy to understand as we possibly can."
Why do you need childcare if everyone has to stay at home ffs? Why should the country pay for your incompetence? Tax your own State.
Work permits?
Permit to be issued for workers who have to work past the 8:00pm curfew Mr Andrews said a permit would be issued for those who need to be out after 8:00pm from tomorrow. "It's a piece of paper. Your employer fills it out. They sign it. You sign it. You carry it with you and then you're able to demonstrate so there's not a sense of anxiety or a sense of having to tell your story 17 times. "If you're pulled up by police, you can simply provide that piece of paper and then you would be waved on to go about your business."
No loophole there. No sirree.
I'm pleasantly surprised they have allowed Racing to continue in Victoria.
Racing cannot be killed by conventional weapons
That said, we'll happily run the Cox Plate at Cannon Park
and we (Polsy) will travel.... (Dreams are very free on my part)
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I'm pleasantly surprised they have allowed Racing to continue in Victoria.
Their network must be amazing.
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@antipodean long may we play
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I'm pleasantly surprised they have allowed Racing to continue in Victoria.
Their network must be amazing.
Yes, well, whether it lasts or not is another thing.
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@Nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Sweden's approach with a bit more attention to protecting those in rest-homes, is looking smarter by the day. What an absolute clusterfuck.
The govt should be publishing metrics others than Covid cases.
Jobs lost, mental health calls, domestic abuse etc.Are you just going to keep posting that with the attached asterisk around deaths in rest homes in post after post?
Huh?
First time I have mentioned it. -
@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Sweden's approach with a bit more attention to protecting those in rest-homes, is looking smarter by the day. What an absolute clusterfuck.
The govt should be publishing metrics others than Covid cases.
Jobs lost, mental health calls, domestic abuse etc.Are you just going to keep posting that with the attached asterisk around deaths in rest homes in post after post?
Huh?
First time I have mentioned it.Hmmm, I guess must have conflated you with another poster, my bad.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The govt should be publishing metrics others than Covid cases.
Jobs lost, mental health calls, domestic abuse etc.And in Australia they certainly publish stats on all of those things. Most countries do.
Should have made myself clearer.
I know these are already published.I meant publish all figures that affect us in one document.
So today there were x number of Covid cases, x increase in unemployment claims, x number of businesses filed for bankruptcy, x increase in mental health call-outs etc.Covid is not simply about people getting sick.
I think it would give everyone a more complete picture and promote more informed discussion.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The govt should be publishing metrics others than Covid cases.
Jobs lost, mental health calls, domestic abuse etc.And in Australia they certainly publish stats on all of those things. Most countries do.
Hard to accurately assess that, especially in the states, because schools are not open and no one wants to go to the ER due to fear of the Rona. A lot of reporting of child abuse comes from the schools.
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
x increase in unemployment claims, x number of businesses filed for bankruptcy, x increase in mental health call-outs
expect those ones have so many variables it would be difficult to quantify, I mean we already have some deaths attributed to Covid, when in reality a stiff southerly breeze would likely have had same end result with some.
Some businesses have used Covid as a reason to re-structure, whereas some (in NZ) that supposedly fell over in the first week of lockdown, were clearly in trouble anyway, but could attribute Covid to the final nail??
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Frank said in Coronavirus - Australia:
x increase in unemployment claims, x number of businesses filed for bankruptcy, x increase in mental health call-outs
expect those ones have so many variables it would be difficult to quantify, I mean we already have some deaths attributed to Covid, when in reality a stiff southerly breeze would likely have had same end result with some.
Some businesses have used Covid as a reason to re-structure, whereas some (in NZ) that supposedly fell over in the first week of lockdown, were clearly in trouble anyway, but could attribute Covid to the final nail??
True.And I think the Covid numbers are being inflated in some cases for political gain or the securing of more funding. But I am saying also publish jobs lost, bankruptcy filings. Those are quantifiable. Much more so than whether or not someone's death was caused by Covid.
I worry that the damage being done to economies will not be repairable for a long time.
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