Coronavirus - Australia
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@Rembrandt I really don't like him. I particularly hate the way he tries to make people look stupid, like the grandmother marching for climate change who didnt know the exact change in temperature we had experienced.
But that video, assuming we saw everything, is pretty fucked up and terrifying.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
But that video, assuming we saw everything, is pretty fucked up and terrifying.
I am guessing there is more to it. Whether that makes the arrest right or wrong, who knows. On thing I would bet on is that the guy was hoping to get arrested at some stage. It wouldn't surprise me if he went out if his way to be a pain in the arse from the very start.
I feel for the cops that arrested him. There are few things worse than being a junior cop and a senior cop telling you somebody needs to be arrested. If I was there I would have quietly moved into the background the moment the field commander started saying arrest him. I have seen way too often junior cops jumping up to do the arrest then later on wondering what the fuck they arrested the guy for. Often the senior cop is nowhere to be found or claims to not know anything about the alleged offence.
I have refused to arrest people in the past after being instructed to do so by senior officers because I believed at the time they didn't deserve arresting. The senior officers hate it, and you can get yourself into some personal confrontations with them, but at the end of the day nobody can direct or order you to make an arrest. On the occasions I do arrest I make a point of getting the senior officer's details and telling them they will be making a statement and giving evidence if it goes to trial. They hate that too 😀
I hope where I live doesn't go the same way. I would hate to be a cop at those protests. My heart wouldn't be in it.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
But that video, assuming we saw everything, is pretty fucked up and terrifying.
I am guessing there is more to it. Whether that makes the arrest right or wrong, who knows. On thing I would bet on is that the guy was hoping to get arrested at some stage. It wouldn't surprise me if he went out if his way to be a pain in the arse from the very start.
I feel for the cops that arrested him. There are few things worse than being a junior cop and a senior cop telling you somebody needs to be arrested. If I was there I would have quietly moved into the background the moment the field commander started saying arrest him. I have seen way too often junior cops jumping up to do the arrest then later on wondering what the fuck they arrested the guy for. Often the senior cop is nowhere to be found or claims to not know anything about the alleged offence.
I have refused to arrest people in the past after being instructed to do so by senior officers because I believed at the time they didn't deserve arresting. The senior officers hate it, and you can get yourself into some personal confrontations with them, but at the end of the day nobody can direct or order you to make an arrest. On the occasions I do arrest I make a point of getting the senior officer's details and telling them they will be making a statement and giving evidence if it goes to trial. They hate that too 😀
I hope where I live doesn't go the same way. I would hate to be a cop at those protests. My heart wouldn't be in it.
Yeah, you really have to wonder what else happened dont you? Seems kind of odd, especially how quickly it escalated to them putting him on the ground
I truly don't envy you guys right now mate
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Rembrandt I really don't like him. I particularly hate the way he tries to make people look stupid, like the grandmother marching for climate change who didnt know the exact change in temperature we had experienced.
But that video, assuming we saw everything, is pretty fucked up and terrifying.
Yep. But his character or the worth of his work have no role to play in the application of the law, pre-trial.
We've gotten into this awful mess worldwide, ( that our children will waste their lives fixing), because of subjective virtue analysis. No place for that in a mature democracy.
But here we are and here we will stay till this subjective application of the law isn't universally called out.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Rembrandt I really don't like him. I particularly hate the way he tries to make people look stupid, like the grandmother marching for climate change who didnt know the exact change in temperature we had experienced.
But that video, assuming we saw everything, is pretty fucked up and terrifying.
Yep. But his character or the worth of his work have no role to play in the application of the law, pre-trial.
We've gotten into this awful mess worldwide, ( that our children will waste their lives fixing), because of subjective virtue analysis. No place for that in a mature democracy.
But here we are and here we will stay till this subjective application of the law isn't universally called out.
just to be clear, I was in no way insinuating that my dislike of the guy or his general character bears any relevance to the incident at hand.
One of the biggest problems we have though, as alluded to above, is that we all feed ourselves off these video snippets, having no idea what is being held back be differently people with different agendas. I dont have an answer to that
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It's certainly possible there is more to it. I don't however think he planned to get arrested here, he's just coming off a pretty serious heart attack this year so 5 officers violently pulling you to the ground at a minor protest is hardly the cause to become a martyr over. His reaction when the senior officer talked to him appeared to be clear bemusement thinking it couldn't possibly be true.
I'm sure the junior officers are just doing their job and the problems are much higher but damn where do you draw the line?
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
we all feed ourselves off these video snippets,
Bingo. The chronicler tells the tale. There is no video that will be entirely unedited and tell every side of the story.
having no idea what is being held back be differently people with different agendas. I dont have an answer to that
There isn't one. Every media outlet will pursue an agenda based on what they think will get the most clicks.
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The most telling part of this story is the other journalists talking at 19:26
That's what the story is really about. Not Avi or the msm, but the massive disconnect we have between the authorities and the public. It's especially observable in Victoria right now, but it pervades all western societies.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The most telling part of this story is the other journalists talking at 19:26
That's what the story is really about. Not Avi or the msm, but the massive disconnect we have between the authorities and the public. It's especially observable in Victoria right now, but it pervades all western societies.
Yeah I thought that too but I wonder if that attitude is not unusual. The media, even mainstream, push the envelope a lot when they are sniffing for a story and they can have an entitled attitude about them. Police mainly have a good working relationship with the media, but I have seen them get pissed when not allowed to do something.
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@Crazy-Horse I'll also say that the Victoria Police in particular built up a heavy handed reputation over decades, and that isn't easily washed away.
You would know how it is more than most; tell someone if they go in this area or say that etc they could find themselves under arrest. Suddenly they're reporting you threatened them with arrest. All you're trying to do is head off a shitload of paperwork.
Tense times.
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Why do the police in the video have to use 3 or more people to pin him to the ground when he wasn't resisting?
Why couldn't they just cuff him like they did to the pregnant woman?
I guess it's standard procedure to tackle every single arrest suspect.
I'm pretty sure black lives matter protests was all about unnecessary police brutality, yet here we have a compliant suspect with government authorisation to be at an event, not resisting.
Hardly a dangerous situation.
The irony
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@Rembrandt said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I've heard now Melbourne has now been locked down longer than Wuhan. At least our doors aren't being welded shut for our protection.
if security guards were trained not to hook up with isolationers, and then drive Uberin the evening, it wouldn't be so bad! Welding doors shut starts to look a bit less of a terrible idea ...
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Why do the police in the video have to use 3 or more people to pin him to the ground when he wasn't resisting?
Why couldn't they just cuff him like they did to the pregnant woman?
I guess it's standard procedure to tackle every single arrest suspect.
I'm pretty sure black lives matter protests was all about unnecessary police brutality, yet here we have a compliant suspect with government authorisation to be at an event, not resisting.
Hardly a dangerous situation.
The irony
Not defending the police actions at all because I wasn't there and I don't know the full story, but I was once knocked out by a punch from somebody who was calm and was not resisting in any way (until the punch obviously).
If things happened the way the guy claims and the way it appears to have happened on the video, then yeah, not sure I would have effected the arrest in the same way. But, are we sure from the footage the guy didn't pull his arm away from police when they tried arrest him?
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@Crazy-Horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I was once knocked out by a punch from somebody who was calm and was not resisting in any way (until the punch obviously).
Never know what people are going to do under pressure. Particularly when they're chesting up with the "what am I being arrested for?!!" line. Can happen in an instant.
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Crazy-Horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I was once knocked out by a punch from somebody who was calm and was not resisting in any way (until the punch obviously).
Never know what people are going to do under pressure. Particularly when they're chesting up with the "what am I being arrested for?!!" line. Can happen in an instant.
2 officers talking to 1 suspect whom multiple calls had come in to report. A little different than a veritable army of armoured police bringing down a obvious journalist (mic, camera, sound guy) mid report. The footage couldn't be any clearer. If he wasn't a 'right winger' this would be massive news.
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@Rembrandt said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Crazy-Horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I was once knocked out by a punch from somebody who was calm and was not resisting in any way (until the punch obviously).
Never know what people are going to do under pressure. Particularly when they're chesting up with the "what am I being arrested for?!!" line. Can happen in an instant.
2 officers talking to 1 suspect whom multiple calls had come in to report. A little different than a veritable army of armoured police bringing down a obvious journalist (mic, camera, sound guy) mid report. The footage couldn't be any clearer. If he wasn't a 'right winger' this would be massive news.
likewise if he was from Triple J reporting on a BLM protest you wouldn't give a fuck
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@Rembrandt said in Coronavirus - Australia:
a obvious journalist (mic, camera, sound guy)
I find it interesting that he needs a sound guy TBH. Having ended up in front of the camera a bit the last few years, most of the time it is a reporter with a camera guy who does all the lights and mic work. Maybe Rebel News has a bigger budget than MSM?
The footage couldn't be any clearer.
It could, because the "FULL" video footage doesn't show everything at this point. I'm keen to see what led the commander to take that action as that is the most questionable part.
Yemini has said he'll be releasing more footage, so let's see it. I am happy to be corrected once he moves beyond putting up clips of someone saying "Dickheads" on loop like some kid with a copy of iMovie.
What I do hear in the footage is someone (female) screaming "They've got us Avi!" so not sure what that is about. Maybe one of his fans got him in shit by accident?
If he wasn't a 'right winger' this would be massive news.
I would say it is less to do with his politics, and more about the established media not giving two shits about a known agitator with a record of stirring up the fringe to make a living.
He even refers to them as "fake news" in the video above, so why would they go near him?
If there was a juicy story there, the media would be all over it for the clicks in order to set up a buffer for themselves while remaining at arm's length.
If it came right down to it, they could arrest him for not wearing a mask and therefore not being compliant with the standing regulations, media status or no. It is even referenced when he's trying to interview the guy in a suit on the video, that he should put his mask on and stand back 1.5m
That after-hours visit from the cops looks utterly wrong but I believe they could easily justify it doing that for COVID compliance as well (as they did for visiting other citizens during lockdown). Wish he'd taken out his phone and recorded that face to face instead of using a security camera that shows us nothing. He's on his own property, and has every right to do so.
Away from the subject of Yemini: This whole shtick of saying the government is acting like Communist China (!!!) and the continual "Dictator Dan" references? Completely ignore the fact that you can publicly criticise the government and not get disappeared like you would in China.