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@canefan Which is why I hate the 'be kind' mantra so much. Any attempts at holding the government accountable for border fuck ups was seen as 'bullying', asking questions again and again because she evaded answering or replied with a whole lot of nothing were regarded poorly. (Yes, some reporters asked dipshit questions, but a lot have taken flack because they didn't say yes ma'am no ma'am when she beamed and spun bullshit.)
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
The genome shows it's from Oz or the UK, so obviously it came through the border.
No, no, no. It was on a packet of refrigerated kangaroo or some stilton.
A highly infectious disease couldn't possibly have been people.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
Saw something today that said Jacinda and Ashley are now politely disagreeing about the origin of the clusters. He says must have been introduced through the borders (airport/isolation facility/ports) she says no evidence of that.
Nifty trick to follow science when it suits.
It's a good example on how she lies when it suits. The genome shows it's from Oz or the UK, so obviously it came through the border.
She can't say that though, because that means they threw away the elimination pain of lockdowns through mismanagement.
The most transparent politician ever is no different from the rest. Just has very glossy polish
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@canefan We'll see I guess. Not around here though.
We are hardly representative of the country
No, we aren't. I wasn't actually referring to the Fern specifically.
I would be keen on seeing more Polish chicks around though.
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@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@canefan We'll see I guess. Not around here though.
We are hardly representative of the country
No, we aren't. I wasn't actually referring to the Fern specifically.
I would be keen on seeing more Polish chicks around though.
I figured you meant the Fern, The Polish thing is unsurprising too
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@Kirwan I am aware that Nats are spending large on social media but I don't do Farcebook as I'm in no way interested in knowing when someone needs to take a dump. I don't watch television news either but I have seen lots of images of Collins in a hi viz with a rictus grin.
There's plenty of faux policy coming out but it's all recycled garbage that didn't excite the electorate when Nats were led by Key and English so how is it going to now?
I think National have given up and this whole election is about damage limitation. I'd far rather they go on the attack and hold Labour to account for their many bungles. Of course as was pointed out by doing so they risk highlighting their own many incompetencies.
TBH I think politicians of every ilk are over 2020 as much as the rest of us. All I hope for from this election is the final permanent rejection of Winnie and NZF.
8-10 seats for ACT would do as well.
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@dogmeat didn't Soiman try that route? The sheeple backlash was strong and he lost his job. Ardern is borderline untouchable with middle NZ right now. Now if the Fern was representative of most of NZ that strategy would be very effective....
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
All I hope for from this election is the final permanent rejection of Winnie and NZF.
Amen.
That will also make the whole election closer and more interesting. I haven't decided to vote yet, based on the hope that NZF and the Greens are gone makes it really difficult.
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@Snowy I can't stand Winston, but with each batshit crazy policy the Greens come out with, the thought of them and Labour governing together gives me hives. Don't think the Nats will get enough votes, even if Act hits 5% for the first time. Scary to me is Labour just needing the Greens to govern.
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@taniwharugby Yes. Pretty tough to vote when you don’t know what you are voting for.
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@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby Yes. Pretty tough to vote when you don’t know what you are voting for.
you have to vote mate. Just not the Greens. Even if NZF made it at least you know Winnie will cock block the left bloc's crazier ideas
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@Godder said in NZ Politics:
Doesn't look like Labour have any great ambitions to massive structural changes, so I don't think there will be much radical change coming.
They actually seem to be trying to do a John Key and occupy more of the space each side of the centre
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
Doesn't look like Labour have any great ambitions to massive structural changes, so I don't think there will be much radical change coming.
They actually seem to be trying to do a John Key and occupy more of the space each side of the centre
.... which is kind of exactly what MMP is designed to do. Empower parties, drive centrist government.
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
.... which is kind of exactly what MMP is designed to do. Empower parties, drive centrist government.
Designed to and doesn't achieve might be closer.
I should be clearer there - you do end up with radicals on both sides and they can get a disproportionate amount of seats to me. The last letter is relevant. -
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
Doesn't look like Labour have any great ambitions to massive structural changes, so I don't think there will be much radical change coming.
They actually seem to be trying to do a John Key and occupy more of the space each side of the centre
.... which is kind of exactly what MMP is designed to do. Empower parties, drive centrist government.
Seems to water down any grander ambitions. No more think big, Rogernomics or Richardson budgets, for better or worse. The biggest failing of the Key government was their failure to make grand changes, perhaps because Key was always conscious of trying to keep power instead of using it?
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
Doesn't look like Labour have any great ambitions to massive structural changes, so I don't think there will be much radical change coming.
They actually seem to be trying to do a John Key and occupy more of the space each side of the centre
.... which is kind of exactly what MMP is designed to do. Empower parties, drive centrist government.
Seems to water down any grander ambitions.
absolutely. John Key 'got' MMP. So did Clark. It's making hundreds of tiny moves, and not being wedded to any of them - abandoning anything that gets unpopular. I get it, but dno't necessarily like it.
Also, any of those fringe parties are heavily moderated. It's like the swing justice in the supreme court - it's the party controlling the 61st seat across the centre that drives the policy
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I just hope it empowers more centrist voters for anyone but the Greens. With decent environmental policies, both main parties could make them utterly irrelevant. We don't need a party that hates farmers, anyone who has accumulated a million, or been promoted to a six figure salary. With tourism currently fucked, agriculture can keep the country going. To crush that sector now with mass new regulations and carbon tax stuff would fuck the country for good.
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