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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
No fucker abiding by the rules if you listen to MSM
Heard a GP on the radio today talking about a visit to Westfield Shopping Centre and how social distancing, etc pretty much being ignored. Fits in with what we saw here in late-Summer.
I'm PMSL'ing the bizarre spectacle of MPs and critics simultaneously claiming it's too late to change the Christmas regulations while complaining the government set out it's Christmas plans too early...
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Made me laugh..
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@sparky said in Coronavirus - UK:
Surge in cases in the UK, especially in London and the South East. A third wave.
35,383 new cases identified in a day.
That figure was greatly inflated by over 11K cases in Wales that had not previously been reported due to an IT glitch.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@sparky said in Coronavirus - UK:
Surge in cases in the UK, especially in London and the South East. A third wave.
35,383 new cases identified in a day.
That figure was greatly inflated by over 11K cases in Wales that had not previously been reported due to an IT glitch.
Bloody Dais-come-lately
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
And 9 people, all with co- morbidities, died today
This is NOT a pandemicWhat do you mean by that? Puzzled.
A pandemic doesn't have to be fatal. If that is what you are getting at?pandemic
/panˈdɛmɪk/
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
And 9 people, all with co- morbidities, died today
This is NOT a pandemicWhat do you mean by that? Puzzled.
A pandemic doesn't have to be fatal. If that is what you are getting at?pandemic
/panˈdɛmɪk/
adjective
(of a disease) prevalent over a whole country or the world.Fair enough
I’ll rephrase it
The numbers do not justify the actions.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
The numbers do not justify the actions.
That has been the balancing act the world over. There isn't really a correct answer that I can see anyway.
It's awful that my wife can't be at her Mum's funeral, but I'm also a bit pleased that she isn't going (for many reasons - not just health ones for her, and her aging but healthy Dad, practicality - MIQ, flights, etc is really difficult to organise).
Welsh healthcare services under real pressure apparently too, which is what they were worried about in the first instance. I guess that is why they are reacting strongly.
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
The numbers do not justify the actions.
That has been the balancing act the world over. There isn't really a correct answer that I can see anyway.
It's awful that my wife can't be at her Mum's funeral, but I'm also a bit pleased that she isn't going (for many reasons - not just health ones for her, and her aging but healthy Dad, practicality - MIQ, flights, etc is really difficult to organise).
Welsh healthcare services under real pressure apparently too, which is what they were worried about in the first instance. I guess that is why they are reacting strongly.
YesThis has never been about the severity of COVID-19.
It’s been about the limited bed spaces for what has been shown to be a sick nation.
Modern medicine is keeping tens of thousands of people alive in Wales, who if exposed to COVID-19 stand a good chance of becoming hospitalised.
A percentage of those hospitalised will, and have, died.
Compounded to this NHS breaking point problem is staffing.
Too many NHS staff have had to quarantine because a colleague has tested positive for COVID-19, despite not being ill.
Less staff = less beds for sick patients.
And yet the hospitalised are still sitting in their wheelchairs at the entrance to Prince Charles Hospital in Merthyr having a smoke.
It’s their constitutional and human right don’t you know.
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@MiketheSnow the amount of accuracy here is scary.
And it comes down to why I’m not an NHS “believer” and don’t agree with free healthcare for all. People take the piss out of it.
The wake up call from this should be thst GB needs to be healthier. But it won’t be. It’ll be we need to put more into the NHS.
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Apologies if this sounds a little bit of a rant.
Mrs Meldrew's mother is very ill and near end of life at the moment. She went into hospital about 8 weeks ago after a fall and came out 2 weeks later. She is 84, has Parkinsons and Dementia and recently had a stroke.
The family were told she would be staying in hospital as she was unfit to be sent home, but 2 hrs later were given 36hrs by the NHS to arrange 24/7 health care as they were going to discharge her regardless. The only support the NHS offered was visit from a carer once a day to change incontinence pads. She was sent home with the wrong drugs, which were a huge box for an entire hospital ward. The hospital said not to send them back, but just bin them.
2 weeks out of hospital, she caught Covid-19. Hard to be sure, but the only new person who visited was a NHS nurse who had tested positive ( the private care workers get tested 3 times a week.) The NHS gave Mrs M's mum a test but refused to test her 88 yr old husband or her daughter who had taken time off from work to care for her. They spent £200 on private tests. Thankfully, she seems to be over Covid now
It's been an eye-opener for the family who believed the stories about the smiles & caring attitude of NHS staff and for all it's faults the "NHS is there for you". It isn't, it really isn't.
A politician once praised the NHS as "the UK's national religion". From my experiences of it, It's a national disgrace.
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@Victor-Meldrew Whilst that story is appalling and one that should never have happened, it is not indicative of the whole of the NHS. For every awful experience such as yours you can hear dozens of truly uplifting ones. The thing is, it does seem to be a lottery.
Example: Here in Exeter we seem to have very few poor experiences but a few miles away in East Devon appears to be different. A friend of mine fell off a low step ladder 2.5 years ago and broke his neck. He is a complete paraplegic with no chance of improving, only now has he had his care package agreed because “he doesn’t have a primary healthcare need”. Despite not being able to move anything but his head. Can’t eat, can’t wash, can’t toilet can’t even cough. It has taken us all this time plus three or is it four appeals, all with professional assistance. Similar cases in the Exeter and the mid Devon health authorities had a totally different outcome.
This to my mind is all down to resources and how they are applied at management level. It is not enough to simply throw more money at the beast, it requires a root and branch clear out. But this is the truth that cannot be told politically.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
as yours you can hear dozens of truly uplifting ones. The thing is, it does seem to be a lottery.
There's certainly good areas, but overall, the NHS delivers poor health outcomes - e.g. cancer survival rates - which are consistently at the bottom of the pile. Has done for decades. And NHS spending has been above the OECD average for nearly 20 years.
And when people talk about the great treatment they got from the NHS, what are they comparing it with? The answer is they really don't have a clue. Mid Staffs hospital scored really highly on patient satisfaction but in reality was killing people regularly from poor care and negligence.
This to my mind is all down to resources and how they are applied at management level. It is not enough to simply throw more money at the beast, it requires a root and branch clear out. But this is the truth that cannot be told politically.
I agree, I'd also add staff attitudes are what needs to change, along with disciplining people who are negligent, protecting whistle-blowers and well, actually putting patients first.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
A politician once praised the NHS as "the UK's national religion". From my experiences of it, It's a national disgrace.
You can't even call it the NHS without the Orwellian prefix "our" ahead of it, such is the national delusion about it. The disconnect between greater spending, poorer outcomes and near universal praise is almost cult-like.
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@Victor-Meldrew I agree with all you say and to my ind the NHS in its current form is not sustainable but which politician will ever grab that nettle?
Interesting point you make on staff attitudes and I wouldn't disagree but the fish rots from the head downwards. Talking to NHS staff, both front line and clerical, the poor outcomes (including staff attitude) nearly always comes from poor management. It must be very dispiriting to see the huge amounts of waste going unchecked, while management seem to get a better deal in regard to time off, holidays at peak periods while all the time you are told you have to be "better". Ms Cato No2 left the NHS although she enjoyed the actual job purely because of the attitude of management. She is far from being alone.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew I agree with all you say and to my ind the NHS in its current form is not sustainable but which politician will ever grab that nettle?
Interesting point you make on staff attitudes and I wouldn't disagree but the fish rots from the head downwards. Talking to NHS staff, both front line and clerical, the poor outcomes (including staff attitude) nearly always comes from poor management. It must be very dispiriting to see the huge amounts of waste going unchecked, while management seem to get a better deal in regard to time off, holidays at peak periods while all the time you are told you have to be "better". Ms Cato No2 left the NHS although she enjoyed the actual job purely because of the attitude of management. She is far from being alone.
All good points, but it's not just the management (or lack of it) it's also senior clinical staff who need to carry the can.
It wasn't a management problem that patients were left in their own poo for days at a time or died of malnutrition or dehydration at Mid Staffs. Those things happened because hundreds of doctors and nursing staff from top to bottom were either too incompetent to notice (unlikely) or did notice and just didn't give a stuff, knowing they'd get away with it.
There's a huge culture shift needed from the medical profession, everyone knows it, but nobody wants to say it. Much easier to blame the Health Minister or Health Dept management. Anyway, enough before I go into seriously grumpy old man mode...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew I agree with all you say and to my ind the NHS in its current form is not sustainable but which politician will ever grab that nettle?
Interesting point you make on staff attitudes and I wouldn't disagree but the fish rots from the head downwards. Talking to NHS staff, both front line and clerical, the poor outcomes (including staff attitude) nearly always comes from poor management. It must be very dispiriting to see the huge amounts of waste going unchecked, while management seem to get a better deal in regard to time off, holidays at peak periods while all the time you are told you have to be "better". Ms Cato No2 left the NHS although she enjoyed the actual job purely because of the attitude of management. She is far from being alone.
All good points, but it's not just the management (or lack of it) it's also senior clinical staff who need to carry the can.
It wasn't a management problem that patients were left in their own poo for days at a time or died of malnutrition or dehydration at Mid Staffs. Those things happened because hundreds of doctors and nursing staff from top to bottom were either too incompetent to notice (unlikely) or did notice and just didn't give a stuff, knowing they'd get away with it.
There's a huge culture shift needed from the medical profession, everyone knows it, but nobody wants to say it. Much easier to blame the Health Minister or Health Dept management. Anyway, enough before I go into seriously grumpy old man mode...
You know where to go for that!
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Numbers have properly gone nuts in Taff land.
Keep safe @MiketheSnow
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
Numbers have properly gone nuts in Taff land.
Keep safe @MiketheSnow
Thanks
Cases gone nuts.
Senedd gone nuts.
Public going nuts.
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