Sevens to stay in Wellytown

MajorRage

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The problem is that no one else wants it. If the event leaves Wellington, it leaves New Zealand.
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Then frankly, so be it. Why should World Rugby be bothered with it when places like Vancouver are selling out.
 
It seems if NZ fans aren't going, there are plenty of other places that have the fans to go. Move it, I say.

mariner4life

did vancouver really sell out? looked like the whole top tier of the stadium was "blacked out"? or was i not paying attention?

KiwiMurph

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did vancouver really sell out? looked like the whole top tier of the stadium was "blacked out"? or was i not paying attention?
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As I understand it the stadium at Vancouver has a situation where the top tier can be opened fully, opened partially, or not opened at all, depending on the event (they can bring the internal 'roof' down to partition off the top tier if it is not being used).
 
From what I understand, the top tier was semi-opened for the 7s (as well as the whole lower bowl). So while the whole stadium was not full, the event did sell out in relation to how many seats were available. I think total capacity is about 55,000 and I think the crowd was around 33,000 each day.
 
I'm guessing with the demand the whole stadium may be opened up for next year's event.

hydro11

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Then frankly, so be it. Why should World Rugby be bothered with it when places like Vancouver are selling out.
 
It seems if NZ fans aren't going, there are plenty of other places that have the fans to go. Move it, I say.
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That would be bad for sevens in New Zealand but maybe what World Rugby will have to do if crowds don't pick up. I think the best chance is moving the 7's to Eden Park when the Nines leave.

Stargazer

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I don't really know what else you can say about an event which can't half fill a stadium when places like Vancouver sell out. The media's job isn't to always be positive. I watch 7's, I like watching 7's unfortunately most other New Zealanders don't seem to like the game very much.
 
As for promotion, there was a whole 7 days of festivities leading up to the event. I have been to hundreds of events in Wellington which got more people with less promotion.
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Have you seen the promotion of the Auckland 9s on Sky? Every night, multiple times. No ads for the Wellington 7s whatsoever on tv, at least I didn't see them. You don't advertise for such an event only in Wellington and only in the week leading up to the event.
It was promoted really badly, in comparison with a similar event, which is the Auckland 9s!
 
I agree the media's job isn't to always be positive. The problem is that they only highlighted and repeated and repeated and repeated the perceived negative aspects of the current format, ignored the negative aspects of the boozing culture of past events. If you read that on a regular basis, some people are actually going to believe that, even if they didn't before. There were lots of positives to, but they were maybe mentioned once in a while, somewhere hidden inbetween all the moaning.
 
Vancouver sold out, and Sydney almost sold out, because it was their first time. You can't compare. Let's wait and see if they still sell out after they have organised for five years or more.

Stargazer

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Uh yes they were that's why no one went, it used to sell out in minutes online. Not anymore.
 
In the mid 2000s the Sevens was fucken excellent fun, I was lucky enough to go for free in the corp box, great having the freedom to mix with the commoners and then go up and have the finest seafood and ice cold Heineken.
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No, they were not. It was a perception only, fed by the media and people who can't have fun without being drunk (I'm not talking about people who want to have a few drinks only).
 
Was it still a drunken mess?
- No, it was not. I've only seen two people causing trouble, who were removed by police on Sunday.
 
It's no longer fun because of the fun police? 
- How can people know if they weren't there? All the people that I know, who were there, including my mates and I, we all had a great time on both days. As soon as we moved from the cold areas (in the shadow) to the aisles in the sun, we noticed that the atmosphere in those fuller aisles was great! More people discovered that, resulting in some aisles becoming emptier and emptier, and the "sunny aisles" becoming almost completely full. All thanks to being allowed to move around and change seats. What do you read in the media? You weren't allowed to move around. Complete rubbish. 
 
I'm not without criticism about the organisation, but what the media write and some people - who weren't there - claim about the event, is excessively negative. And they reinforce each other, unfortunately.

hydro11

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No, they were not. It was a perception only, fed by the media and people who can't have fun without being drunk (I'm not talking about people who want to have a few drinks only).
 
Was it still a drunken mess?
- No, it was not. I've only seen two people causing trouble, who were removed by police on Sunday.
 
It's no longer fun because of the fun police? 
- How can people know if they weren't there? All the people that I know, who were there, including my mates and I, we all had a great time on both days. As soon as we moved from the cold areas (in the shadow) to the aisles in the sun, we noticed that the atmosphere in those fuller aisles was great! More people discovered that, resulting in some aisles becoming emptier and emptier, and the "sunny aisles" becoming almost completely full. All thanks to being allowed to move around and change seats. What do you read in the media? You weren't allowed to move around. Complete rubbish. 
 
I'm not without criticism about the organisation, but what the media write and some people - who weren't there - claim about the event, is excessively negative. And they reinforce each other, unfortunately.
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They know because there were fun police in other years who ruined the event. Thus people decided not to turn up. I think it's great that 15,000 people had a great time. Why do you think people turned up five years ago but not now, if it wasn't for the restrictions?

Stargazer

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They know because there were fun police in other years who ruined the event. Thus people decided not to turn up. I think it's great that 15,000 people had a great time. Why do you think people turned up five years ago but not now, if it wasn't for the restrictions?
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Because the media keep on writing about how people don't like it because of the restrictions, sometimes telling half-truths. Some people, who read that, start believing it if the media keep on repeating it often enough.
Other people, who didn't like the boozing culture and stayed away in previous years, may not have read those media and may not be aware that things have changed.
 
I also think people stayed away because prices are still too high (although lower and with more options than previous years; not everyone knows this, I noticed). I have said before, there is definitely much room for improvement, starting with the food/drink options and prices, and the entertainment around the event, and inbetween games, but people are IMO really too negative!

JayCee

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="KiwiMurph" data-cid="566880" data-time="1458785749">As I understand it the stadium at Vancouver has a situation where the top tier can be opened fully, opened partially, or not opened at all, depending on the event (they can bring the internal 'roof' down to partition off the top tier if it is not being used). 
 
From what I understand, the top tier was semi-opened for the 7s (as well as the whole lower bowl). So while the whole stadium was not full, the event did sell out in relation to how many seats were available. I think total capacity is about 55,000 and I think the crowd was around 33,000 each day. 
 
I'm guessing with the demand the whole stadium may be opened up for next year's event. </blockquote>
 
Yep. I went to the Vancouver event, atmosphere was great. Needless to say next year will be even more popular. A lot of Vancouverites didn't even know it was on - but after all the press post event - I'd say they will have no prob selling out the whole stadium. 
Originally it was only supposed to be the lower bowl open at BC place. But they opened up an extra 5000 in the upper bowl because of demand.

Stargazer

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Yep. I went to the Vancouver event, atmosphere was great. Needless to say next year will be even more popular. A lot of Vancouverites didn't even know it was on - but after all the press post event - I'd say they will have no prob selling out the whole stadium. 
Originally it was only supposed to be the lower bowl open at BC place. But they opened up an extra 5000 in the upper bowl because of demand.
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JayCee, they said on tv that they had to pull up the big screen in the middle. Do you know why? Was that because of high kicks? And is that stadium completely closed (also at the sides)? And how was the pricing? Affordable for the average Canadian?

MN5

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No, they were not. It was a perception only, fed by the media and people who can't have fun without being drunk (I'm not talking about people who want to have a few drinks only).
 
Was it still a drunken mess?
- No, it was not. I've only seen two people causing trouble, who were removed by police on Sunday.
 
It's no longer fun because of the fun police? 
- How can people know if they weren't there? All the people that I know, who were there, including my mates and I, we all had a great time on both days. As soon as we moved from the cold areas (in the shadow) to the aisles in the sun, we noticed that the atmosphere in those fuller aisles was great! More people discovered that, resulting in some aisles becoming emptier and emptier, and the "sunny aisles" becoming almost completely full. All thanks to being allowed to move around and change seats. What do you read in the media? You weren't allowed to move around. Complete rubbish. 
 
I'm not without criticism about the organisation, but what the media write and some people - who weren't there - claim about the event, is excessively negative. And they reinforce each other, unfortunately.
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Oh my mistake, I turned on the TV and thought the stadium was empty, it must have been people dressed as yellow plastic seats.

antipodean

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So while the whole stadium was not full, the event did sell out in relation to how many seats were available.
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Obvious solution: Sell 10,000 tickets for next year and call it a success because it sold out.

JayCee

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JayCee, they said on tv that they had to pull up the big screen in the middle. Do you know why? Was that because of high kicks? And is that stadium completely closed (also at the sides)? And how was the pricing? Affordable for the average Canadian?
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Did not know that about the big screen - but I was thinking while at the 7s that it could be low enough to hit if someone put up a decent bomb. Which is surprising since they play CFL (Canadian NFL) there, and the punts can be quite high to get plenty of hang time, so maybe they lowered it at some point not realizing?
 
BC Place has a small retractable roof - which is needed in Van as it rains a shit ton here. When open, the hole is small but at least they get some sun light through.
Price was $80 plus taxes etc for both days. Canadians are used to paying a premium for sporting events - especially for NHL - right now the Canucks are shit, but a couple of years ago you'd be looking for $80 a ticket for the nose bleeds for a regular season game, and they play 40+ games a season at home, so it's not a supply vs. demand thing. So certainly affordable - and Vancouver did a great job. 
 
Slightly off topic, but BC Place is right in the middle of downtown, 50K seating, purpose built for football (therefore rugby) - exactly what Auckland needs.

booboo

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Oh my mistake, I turned on the TV and thought the stadium was empty, it must have been people dressed as yellow plastic seats.</blockquote>
 
Qhen I watched there seemed to a reasonable crpwd admittedly woth large emlty areas having a great time. 
Preventing a drunken free for all is not fun policing. Should have had more of that at Eden Park in the late 80s and ODIs would still be sold out. But i suppose it's finding the balance between stopping idiocy and unnecessary gestapoing.

MN5

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Qhen I watched there seemed to a reasonable crpwd admittedly woth large emlty areas having a great time. 
Preventing a drunken free for all is not fun policing. Should have had more of that at Eden Park in the late 80s and ODIs would still be sold out. But i suppose it's finding the balance between stopping idiocy and unnecessary gestapoing.
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The novelty has worn off, people are over it pure and simple.

The Silver Fern

Sevens to stay in Wellytown