Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@taniwharugby So questions need to be asked in WA and at Kingsford Smith Airport.
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This fucker knowingly circumvents the lockdown, and systems in Perth and Sydney aren't sharp enough to catch him. But he should be prosecuted because there can be no "I wasn't aware" defence. His flight from Perth to NZ was cancelled due to the lockdown
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
This fucker knowingly circumvents the lockdown, and systems in Perth and Sydney aren't sharp enough to catch him. But he should be prosecuted because there can be no "I wasn't aware" defence. His flight from Perth to NZ was cancelled due to the lockdown
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
man, that's a real anarchist take on that shit. Love 'em or not, just ignoring lockdowns is madness.
I'm as critical as the next bloke (as long at that's @voodoo) about lockdowns, and think we are probably trigger happy, but I'm damn sure to follow the rules as much as possible. The rule of law is critical to a free society (along with freedom of speech, but that's a different story). You can dislike it, want to change it and try to change it, but don't bloody ignore it.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
man, that's a real anarchist take on that shit. Love 'em or not, just ignoring lockdowns is madness.
I'm as critical as the next bloke (as long at that's @voodoo) about lockdowns, and think we are probably trigger happy, but I'm damn sure to follow the rules as much as possible. The rule of law is critical to a free society (along with freedom of speech, but that's a different story). You can dislike it, want to change it and try to change it, but don't bloody ignore it.
Salus populi suprema est lux.
Pretending there's any medical efficacy to a three day lockdown and depriving citizens of their ability to conduct life is not for the good of the people. As Edmund Burke said; "bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny".
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
man, that's a real anarchist take on that shit. Love 'em or not, just ignoring lockdowns is madness.
I'm as critical as the next bloke (as long at that's @voodoo) about lockdowns, and think we are probably trigger happy, but I'm damn sure to follow the rules as much as possible. The rule of law is critical to a free society (along with freedom of speech, but that's a different story). You can dislike it, want to change it and try to change it, but don't bloody ignore it.
Salus populi suprema est lux.
Pretending there's any medical efficacy to a three day lockdown and depriving citizens of their ability to conduct life is not for the good of the people. As Edmund Burke said; "bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny".
this is far too intellectual to be here
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
man, that's a real anarchist take on that shit. Love 'em or not, just ignoring lockdowns is madness.
I'm as critical as the next bloke (as long at that's @voodoo) about lockdowns, and think we are probably trigger happy, but I'm damn sure to follow the rules as much as possible. The rule of law is critical to a free society (along with freedom of speech, but that's a different story). You can dislike it, want to change it and try to change it, but don't bloody ignore it.
Salus populi suprema est lux.
Pretending there's any medical efficacy to a three day lockdown and depriving citizens of their ability to conduct life is not for the good of the people. As Edmund Burke said; "bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny".
I think a bunch of speed limits are set too low. Should I ignore them too?
I'm not actually disagreeing on the effectiveness of 3 day lockdowns (though there is an argument that it buys time to see if things are spreading). The reaction though, of ignoring it is not OK in my world. Particularly as we're on the way out of this shit with a vaccine
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
man, that's a real anarchist take on that shit. Love 'em or not, just ignoring lockdowns is madness.
I'm as critical as the next bloke (as long at that's @voodoo) about lockdowns, and think we are probably trigger happy, but I'm damn sure to follow the rules as much as possible. The rule of law is critical to a free society (along with freedom of speech, but that's a different story). You can dislike it, want to change it and try to change it, but don't bloody ignore it.
Salus populi suprema est lux.
Pretending there's any medical efficacy to a three day lockdown and depriving citizens of their ability to conduct life is not for the good of the people. As Edmund Burke said; "bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny".
I think a bunch of speed limits are set too low. Should I ignore them too?
That's a choice for you to make. Evidence shows plenty of others do on occasion.
I'm not actually disagreeing on the effectiveness of 3 day lockdowns (though there is an argument that it buys time to see if things are spreading). The reaction though, of ignoring it is not OK in my world. Particularly as we're on the way out of this shit with a vaccine
Your argument is to acquiesce to bullshit laws so your acknowledgement is rather meaningless.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
man, that's a real anarchist take on that shit. Love 'em or not, just ignoring lockdowns is madness.
I'm as critical as the next bloke (as long at that's @voodoo) about lockdowns, and think we are probably trigger happy, but I'm damn sure to follow the rules as much as possible. The rule of law is critical to a free society (along with freedom of speech, but that's a different story). You can dislike it, want to change it and try to change it, but don't bloody ignore it.
Salus populi suprema est lux.
Pretending there's any medical efficacy to a three day lockdown and depriving citizens of their ability to conduct life is not for the good of the people. As Edmund Burke said; "bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny".
I think a bunch of speed limits are set too low. Should I ignore them too?
That's a choice for you to make. Evidence shows plenty of others do on occasion.
I'm not actually disagreeing on the effectiveness of 3 day lockdowns (though there is an argument that it buys time to see if things are spreading). The reaction though, of ignoring it is not OK in my world. Particularly as we're on the way out of this shit with a vaccine
Your argument is to acquiesce to bullshit laws so your acknowledgement is rather meaningless.
There are a range of ways to disagree with laws while still following them. It's what a lot of people do ... disagree, lobby, protest, build up support and drive a law change. You're welcome to break the laws, but consequences will follow. This person should cop consequences as well. Otherwise who gets to decide which laws get followed and which don't?
Anyway, I suspect we won't be agreeing on this any time soon.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
man, that's a real anarchist take on that shit. Love 'em or not, just ignoring lockdowns is madness.
I'm as critical as the next bloke (as long at that's @voodoo) about lockdowns, and think we are probably trigger happy, but I'm damn sure to follow the rules as much as possible. The rule of law is critical to a free society (along with freedom of speech, but that's a different story). You can dislike it, want to change it and try to change it, but don't bloody ignore it.
Salus populi suprema est lux.
Pretending there's any medical efficacy to a three day lockdown and depriving citizens of their ability to conduct life is not for the good of the people. As Edmund Burke said; "bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny".
I think a bunch of speed limits are set too low. Should I ignore them too?
That's a choice for you to make. Evidence shows plenty of others do on occasion.
I'm not actually disagreeing on the effectiveness of 3 day lockdowns (though there is an argument that it buys time to see if things are spreading). The reaction though, of ignoring it is not OK in my world. Particularly as we're on the way out of this shit with a vaccine
Your argument is to acquiesce to bullshit laws so your acknowledgement is rather meaningless.
hang on, are you actually suggesting that we should all ignore any laws that we don't agree with? Is that how you roll? Are you the guy from those youtube selfie clips that argues with the 17yr Bunnings worker because they won't serve you without a mask?
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
man, that's a real anarchist take on that shit. Love 'em or not, just ignoring lockdowns is madness.
I'm as critical as the next bloke (as long at that's @voodoo) about lockdowns, and think we are probably trigger happy, but I'm damn sure to follow the rules as much as possible. The rule of law is critical to a free society (along with freedom of speech, but that's a different story). You can dislike it, want to change it and try to change it, but don't bloody ignore it.
Salus populi suprema est lux.
Pretending there's any medical efficacy to a three day lockdown and depriving citizens of their ability to conduct life is not for the good of the people. As Edmund Burke said; "bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny".
I think a bunch of speed limits are set too low. Should I ignore them too?
That's a choice for you to make. Evidence shows plenty of others do on occasion.
I'm not actually disagreeing on the effectiveness of 3 day lockdowns (though there is an argument that it buys time to see if things are spreading). The reaction though, of ignoring it is not OK in my world. Particularly as we're on the way out of this shit with a vaccine
Your argument is to acquiesce to bullshit laws so your acknowledgement is rather meaningless.
hang on, are you actually suggesting that we should all ignore any laws that we don't agree with? Is that how you roll? Are you the guy from those youtube selfie clips that argues with the 17yr Bunnings worker because they won't serve you without a mask?
As much as I sympathise with the argument, I can't agree that we should ignore laws we think are incorrect. If we all did that we would have chaos
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I'm not quite at the "fuck your laws, they are stupid" part
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I am not willing to chuck all my vitriol at a guy who got caught out in a shitty situation while trying to get somewhere. I don't know the personal situation, was he trying to see family he hasn't seen in 18 months or something?
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
man, that's a real anarchist take on that shit. Love 'em or not, just ignoring lockdowns is madness.
I'm as critical as the next bloke (as long at that's @voodoo) about lockdowns, and think we are probably trigger happy, but I'm damn sure to follow the rules as much as possible. The rule of law is critical to a free society (along with freedom of speech, but that's a different story). You can dislike it, want to change it and try to change it, but don't bloody ignore it.
Salus populi suprema est lux.
Pretending there's any medical efficacy to a three day lockdown and depriving citizens of their ability to conduct life is not for the good of the people. As Edmund Burke said; "bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny".
I think a bunch of speed limits are set too low. Should I ignore them too?
That's a choice for you to make. Evidence shows plenty of others do on occasion.
I'm not actually disagreeing on the effectiveness of 3 day lockdowns (though there is an argument that it buys time to see if things are spreading). The reaction though, of ignoring it is not OK in my world. Particularly as we're on the way out of this shit with a vaccine
Your argument is to acquiesce to bullshit laws so your acknowledgement is rather meaningless.
There are a range of ways to disagree with laws while still following them. It's what a lot of people do ... disagree, lobby, protest, build up support and drive a law change. You're welcome to break the laws, but consequences will follow. This person should cop consequences as well. Otherwise who gets to decide which laws get followed and which don't?
Given WA and Qld have both just had elections, you can "lobby and protest" as much as you like. These gross violations of liberty and common sense aren't going away any time soon.
As far as we know the individual in question travelled legally from Perth to Sydney and then travelled legally from Sydney to Auckland. If he didn't, then the processes are at fault and I still don't see why it should be a crime to do a whole thing when neither of the constituent parts are crimes.
Just remember two things before tar and feathering this guy:
- There were no community cases associated with it.
- The lockdown wasn't long enough to do anything.
Just generally speaking it's clear to me that a bunch of you would make terrible French farmers or South Korean students.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'm not quite at the "fuck your laws, they are stupid" part
BUT
I am not willing to chuck all my vitriol at a guy who got caught out in a shitty situation while trying to get somewhere. I don't know the personal situation, was he trying to see family he hasn't seen in 18 months or something?
yeah, I don't know the specifics. I'm not chucking the bloke under a bus, just looking at the general broader aspect
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
man, that's a real anarchist take on that shit. Love 'em or not, just ignoring lockdowns is madness.
I'm as critical as the next bloke (as long at that's @voodoo) about lockdowns, and think we are probably trigger happy, but I'm damn sure to follow the rules as much as possible. The rule of law is critical to a free society (along with freedom of speech, but that's a different story). You can dislike it, want to change it and try to change it, but don't bloody ignore it.
Salus populi suprema est lux.
Cicero would have had you beaten for Latin that bad...
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Are these somewhat arbitrary lockdowns actually written into law? Didn't they find that the first lockdown in NZ was actually unlawful of the government to impose that on us?
I am on the side of being concerned when governments establish new laws/more power without due process, no matter how noble their intentions may be.
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
man, that's a real anarchist take on that shit. Love 'em or not, just ignoring lockdowns is madness.
I'm as critical as the next bloke (as long at that's @voodoo) about lockdowns, and think we are probably trigger happy, but I'm damn sure to follow the rules as much as possible. The rule of law is critical to a free society (along with freedom of speech, but that's a different story). You can dislike it, want to change it and try to change it, but don't bloody ignore it.
Salus populi suprema est lux.
Cicero would have had you beaten for Latin that bad...
Salus populi suprema est lex
It could have just been a typo and he forgot the "esto"?
I'll change the mood. I have just been out helping one of my contractors. He had help already. His Aussie girlfriend that he hadn't seen for a year. Amazing what a shag can do to people's attitudes. He was actually friendly and helpful for once, and she had a big grin on her face.
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Vaccination data updated for the week.
First dose administered 140580
Second dose administered 42771
Total doses administered 183351I think that is 57k in the week, up from 36k increase the week before. (my maths, not official)
Weekly update is out.
First dose administered 172564
Second dose administered 60024
Total doses administered 232588No acceleration this week. Possibly public holiday related? only 49k in a week.
Rotorua (Lakes DHB) and Northland getting well behind.
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Vaccination data updated for the week.
First dose administered 140580
Second dose administered 42771
Total doses administered 183351I think that is 57k in the week, up from 36k increase the week before. (my maths, not official)
Weekly update is out.
First dose administered 172564
Second dose administered 60024
Total doses administered 232588No acceleration this week. Possibly public holiday related? only 49k in a week.
Rotorua (Lakes DHB) and Northland getting well behind.
So a touch ahead of plan which is good. I'm not sure if the plan included the disruption of Easter and ANZAC weekends (and people taking leave around that during school holidays). Given that the chart didn't flatten during those weeks I would say not.
At the moment I am hopeful that all of this is a sign of good planning rather than good luck. It looks to be ramping up at a pace that avoids going to quick and making mistakes.
I know that other countries have gone much faster but they don't have our basket case DHBs.