Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
man, that's a real anarchist take on that shit. Love 'em or not, just ignoring lockdowns is madness.
I'm as critical as the next bloke (as long at that's @voodoo) about lockdowns, and think we are probably trigger happy, but I'm damn sure to follow the rules as much as possible. The rule of law is critical to a free society (along with freedom of speech, but that's a different story). You can dislike it, want to change it and try to change it, but don't bloody ignore it.
Salus populi suprema est lux.
Pretending there's any medical efficacy to a three day lockdown and depriving citizens of their ability to conduct life is not for the good of the people. As Edmund Burke said; "bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny".
I think a bunch of speed limits are set too low. Should I ignore them too?
That's a choice for you to make. Evidence shows plenty of others do on occasion.
I'm not actually disagreeing on the effectiveness of 3 day lockdowns (though there is an argument that it buys time to see if things are spreading). The reaction though, of ignoring it is not OK in my world. Particularly as we're on the way out of this shit with a vaccine
Your argument is to acquiesce to bullshit laws so your acknowledgement is rather meaningless.
hang on, are you actually suggesting that we should all ignore any laws that we don't agree with? Is that how you roll? Are you the guy from those youtube selfie clips that argues with the 17yr Bunnings worker because they won't serve you without a mask?
As much as I sympathise with the argument, I can't agree that we should ignore laws we think are incorrect. If we all did that we would have chaos
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I'm not quite at the "fuck your laws, they are stupid" part
BUT
I am not willing to chuck all my vitriol at a guy who got caught out in a shitty situation while trying to get somewhere. I don't know the personal situation, was he trying to see family he hasn't seen in 18 months or something?
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
man, that's a real anarchist take on that shit. Love 'em or not, just ignoring lockdowns is madness.
I'm as critical as the next bloke (as long at that's @voodoo) about lockdowns, and think we are probably trigger happy, but I'm damn sure to follow the rules as much as possible. The rule of law is critical to a free society (along with freedom of speech, but that's a different story). You can dislike it, want to change it and try to change it, but don't bloody ignore it.
Salus populi suprema est lux.
Pretending there's any medical efficacy to a three day lockdown and depriving citizens of their ability to conduct life is not for the good of the people. As Edmund Burke said; "bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny".
I think a bunch of speed limits are set too low. Should I ignore them too?
That's a choice for you to make. Evidence shows plenty of others do on occasion.
I'm not actually disagreeing on the effectiveness of 3 day lockdowns (though there is an argument that it buys time to see if things are spreading). The reaction though, of ignoring it is not OK in my world. Particularly as we're on the way out of this shit with a vaccine
Your argument is to acquiesce to bullshit laws so your acknowledgement is rather meaningless.
There are a range of ways to disagree with laws while still following them. It's what a lot of people do ... disagree, lobby, protest, build up support and drive a law change. You're welcome to break the laws, but consequences will follow. This person should cop consequences as well. Otherwise who gets to decide which laws get followed and which don't?
Given WA and Qld have both just had elections, you can "lobby and protest" as much as you like. These gross violations of liberty and common sense aren't going away any time soon.
As far as we know the individual in question travelled legally from Perth to Sydney and then travelled legally from Sydney to Auckland. If he didn't, then the processes are at fault and I still don't see why it should be a crime to do a whole thing when neither of the constituent parts are crimes.
Just remember two things before tar and feathering this guy:
- There were no community cases associated with it.
- The lockdown wasn't long enough to do anything.
Just generally speaking it's clear to me that a bunch of you would make terrible French farmers or South Korean students.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'm not quite at the "fuck your laws, they are stupid" part
BUT
I am not willing to chuck all my vitriol at a guy who got caught out in a shitty situation while trying to get somewhere. I don't know the personal situation, was he trying to see family he hasn't seen in 18 months or something?
yeah, I don't know the specifics. I'm not chucking the bloke under a bus, just looking at the general broader aspect
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
man, that's a real anarchist take on that shit. Love 'em or not, just ignoring lockdowns is madness.
I'm as critical as the next bloke (as long at that's @voodoo) about lockdowns, and think we are probably trigger happy, but I'm damn sure to follow the rules as much as possible. The rule of law is critical to a free society (along with freedom of speech, but that's a different story). You can dislike it, want to change it and try to change it, but don't bloody ignore it.
Salus populi suprema est lux.
Cicero would have had you beaten for Latin that bad...
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Are these somewhat arbitrary lockdowns actually written into law? Didn't they find that the first lockdown in NZ was actually unlawful of the government to impose that on us?
I am on the side of being concerned when governments establish new laws/more power without due process, no matter how noble their intentions may be.
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
man, that's a real anarchist take on that shit. Love 'em or not, just ignoring lockdowns is madness.
I'm as critical as the next bloke (as long at that's @voodoo) about lockdowns, and think we are probably trigger happy, but I'm damn sure to follow the rules as much as possible. The rule of law is critical to a free society (along with freedom of speech, but that's a different story). You can dislike it, want to change it and try to change it, but don't bloody ignore it.
Salus populi suprema est lux.
Cicero would have had you beaten for Latin that bad...
Salus populi suprema est lex
It could have just been a typo and he forgot the "esto"?
I'll change the mood. I have just been out helping one of my contractors. He had help already. His Aussie girlfriend that he hadn't seen for a year. Amazing what a shag can do to people's attitudes. He was actually friendly and helpful for once, and she had a big grin on her face.
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Vaccination data updated for the week.
First dose administered 140580
Second dose administered 42771
Total doses administered 183351I think that is 57k in the week, up from 36k increase the week before. (my maths, not official)
Weekly update is out.
First dose administered 172564
Second dose administered 60024
Total doses administered 232588No acceleration this week. Possibly public holiday related? only 49k in a week.
Rotorua (Lakes DHB) and Northland getting well behind.
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Vaccination data updated for the week.
First dose administered 140580
Second dose administered 42771
Total doses administered 183351I think that is 57k in the week, up from 36k increase the week before. (my maths, not official)
Weekly update is out.
First dose administered 172564
Second dose administered 60024
Total doses administered 232588No acceleration this week. Possibly public holiday related? only 49k in a week.
Rotorua (Lakes DHB) and Northland getting well behind.
So a touch ahead of plan which is good. I'm not sure if the plan included the disruption of Easter and ANZAC weekends (and people taking leave around that during school holidays). Given that the chart didn't flatten during those weeks I would say not.
At the moment I am hopeful that all of this is a sign of good planning rather than good luck. It looks to be ramping up at a pace that avoids going to quick and making mistakes.
I know that other countries have gone much faster but they don't have our basket case DHBs. -
There is availabilty reported on that page as well. So, 10% of the available vaccines were distributed last week. Long way off vaccines squeeze yet.
Vaccine available for distribution at week end
Week ending Vaccine available for distribution at the end of the week
25-Apr 449730
18-Apr 419310
11-Apr 391650
4-Apr 359520
28-Mar 332280
21-Mar 284580
14-Mar 246000
7-Mar 189600
28-Feb 132690
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@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Are these somewhat arbitrary lockdowns actually written into law? Didn't they find that the first lockdown in NZ was actually unlawful of the government to impose that on us?
I am on the side of being concerned when governments establish new laws/more power without due process, no matter how noble their intentions may be.
The first few days were unlawful as the correct notice hadn't been issued. An error, and unlawful, but also a technicality. Sloppy, and poor form.
The rest were all legal.
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Two media releases published today. There doesn't seem to be much risk.
Brisbane Airport Green Zone Breach Update:
The Ministry of Health is continuing to advise passengers who flew from Brisbane to New Zealand last night to monitor their health and if symptoms develop, call Healthline and get a test, following a green zone breach at Brisbane Airport.
The risk from this event continues to be assessed as low.
Health officials in Queensland have identified Brisbane’s international terminal as a location of interest following yesterday’s green zone breach at the airport and classified anyone in the terminal between 9.45AM local time and midday yesterday (Thursday) as casual contacts and asked people to monitor their symptoms.
The reported breach was in the Hudson Café and the nearby male toilets on level 3 in the terminal where two individuals from a red zone country were in the café and also used the toilets, accessible to green zone passengers.
Queensland Health has informed the Ministry that both passengers were tested in Brisbane with one returning a negative result and the other returning a weak positive.
A subsequent PCR test confirmed the weak positive.
Queensland Health has informed the Ministry that the two red zone passengers were wearing masks, maintaining social distancing with very little interaction with others and are not symptomatic. CCTV footage also shows the café table was cleared and cleaned when they left.
The three flights affected are Air New Zealand NZ 202 from Brisbane to Christchurch which arrived around 4.30 pm yesterday; Air New Zealand NZ 146 from Brisbane to Auckland which arrived at 5.30 pm yesterday and Qantas QF 135 from Brisbane to Christchurch yesterday.
A reminder for people who may need a COVID-19 test – please visit Auckland Regional Public Health Service (ARPHS) for all testing locations in Auckland.
For all testing locations nationwide visit the Healthpoint website.
Brisbane Airport Green Zone Breach Update 2The Ministry of Health has this evening been advised by Queensland health authorities of a change in classification for some passengers who flew from Brisbane to New Zealand on Thursday afternoon and evening New Zealand time.
While the health risk from the green zone breach event remains low, the Queensland authorities have advised New Zealand counterparts that those travellers who were in two locations of interest at specified times within the international terminal are casual plus contacts.
The two locations of interest are Hudson’s coffee stand and adjacent seating between 9.23am and 11.20am Thursday 29 April Queensland time, and the male toilet adjacent to Gate 79 between 11.23am and 11.15pm when the toilet was cleaned.
As a precaution, anyone who was at these locations at these times should now immediately return home or to their accommodation, isolate until they get a negative result from a day five test on Tuesday 4 May.
Travellers who were in either of these two locations at this time should contact Healthline on 0800 358 5453 and register as a casual plus contact.
The Ministry’s contact tracing team will be contacting passengers on the three flights tomorrow.
The reported breach is linked to two individuals from a red zone country who were in the café and also used the toilets, both accessible to green zone passengers. The two individuals were tested in Brisbane with one returning a negative result and the other returning a weak positive, confirmed by a second PCR test.
It remains reassuring that the two red zone individuals wore masks, maintained social distancing, had very little interaction with others and have not been symptomatic.
The three flights affected are Air New Zealand NZ 202 from Brisbane to Christchurch which arrived around 4.30 pm yesterday; Air New Zealand NZ 146 from Brisbane to Auckland which arrived at 5.30 pm yesterday and Qantas QF 135 from Brisbane to Christchurch yesterday.
The Ministry remains in contact with Queensland Health authorities and will provide updates as more information becomes available. -
The high risk country in question is Papua New Guinea.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'll change the mood. I have just been out helping one of my contractors. He had help already. His Aussie girlfriend that he hadn't seen for a year. Amazing what a shag can do to people's attitudes. He was actually friendly and helpful for once, and she had a big grin on her face.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
man, that's a real anarchist take on that shit. Love 'em or not, just ignoring lockdowns is madness.
I'm as critical as the next bloke (as long at that's @voodoo) about lockdowns, and think we are probably trigger happy, but I'm damn sure to follow the rules as much as possible. The rule of law is critical to a free society (along with freedom of speech, but that's a different story). You can dislike it, want to change it and try to change it, but don't bloody ignore it.
Salus populi suprema est lux.
Cicero would have had you beaten for Latin that bad...
Salus populi suprema est lex
It could have just been a typo and he forgot the "esto"?
Subject, object, verb.
Come on people, Latin’s not hard.
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
man, that's a real anarchist take on that shit. Love 'em or not, just ignoring lockdowns is madness.
I'm as critical as the next bloke (as long at that's @voodoo) about lockdowns, and think we are probably trigger happy, but I'm damn sure to follow the rules as much as possible. The rule of law is critical to a free society (along with freedom of speech, but that's a different story). You can dislike it, want to change it and try to change it, but don't bloody ignore it.
Salus populi suprema est lux.
Cicero would have had you beaten for Latin that bad...
Salus populi suprema est lex
It could have just been a typo and he forgot the "esto"?
Subject, object, verb.
Come on people, Latin’s not hard.
Just redundant
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Someone feeling a bit stupid for being stupid.
Get her a t-shirt that reads 'Facebook cost me my job'
Feel a little sorry that they used a photo of someone associated with the fool above the headline though.
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
He shouldn't be prosecuted because the lockdown was bullshit.
man, that's a real anarchist take on that shit. Love 'em or not, just ignoring lockdowns is madness.
I'm as critical as the next bloke (as long at that's @voodoo) about lockdowns, and think we are probably trigger happy, but I'm damn sure to follow the rules as much as possible. The rule of law is critical to a free society (along with freedom of speech, but that's a different story). You can dislike it, want to change it and try to change it, but don't bloody ignore it.
Salus populi suprema est lux.
Cicero would have had you beaten for Latin that bad...
Salus populi suprema est lex
It could have just been a typo and he forgot the "esto"?
Subject, object, verb.
Come on people, Latin’s not hard.
Excuse me Mr JC but I thought that I had it correct?
Salus populi suprema lex esto. Yes?
My latin hasn't been used much for 35 years, although you have managed to capture the tone of my teacher quite nicely. Probably a little more yelling and threats would work.