Dogs and bitches
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@antipodean said in Dogs and bitches:
Yeah it's not the dog as he doesn't display the same behavioural issues with the wife. I have a good idea what the problem is and how to fix it, mainly related to his overexuberance and my reaction.
They are smart and pick up on everything (both dogs and wives - hmmm, the latter can be debatable).
@antipodean said in Dogs and bitches:
I have a good idea what the problem is and how to fix it, mainly related to his overexuberance and my reaction.
On the right track then. The energy that they have and what they portray to you is QI along with what you give back. My wife did an online thing when we got our wee girl called "Zen dog", I think that there is a book as well.
My pooch (sitting next to as I type) is generally well behaved, but if a rabbit is around, she's going to chase it. Birds she knows are no go, along with sheep. She even knows that tennis balls may belong to other dogs, or people, hers are fine. All of that came from her interaction with us and it is well worth it.
Have fun with your puppy they are really cool (especially when they lose some of the exuberance).
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This puppy is awesome 99% of the time. The other one per cent he does things like chew wires off motorcycles when bored.
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@antipodean They do grow out of doing that shit. Trying as it is. Two years they say, and it is about right with our one.
Bloody difficult to keep them entertained %100 of the time.
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Yeah I've circumvented the problem by building a small internal wall in the garage where his kennel is.
He has an awesome temperament given his size and breed can be intimidating to people who find out he's only six months old mistaking his friendliness and exuberance for something more sinister. Took him to a dog park and he loved it. Ran himself to a standstill, never barked or snarled at other dogs.
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@antipodean said in Dogs and bitches:
Yeah I've circumvented the problem by building a small internal wall in the garage where his kennel is.
He has an awesome temperament given his size and breed can be intimidating to people who find out he's only six months old mistaking his friendliness and exuberance for something more sinister. Took him to a dog park and he loved it. Ran himself to a standstill, never barked or snarled at other dogs.
I don't know if you have anyone locally running a 'wolf pack' but they are brilliant. It's a different philosophy to 'doggy day care' where all the dogs find their place in the pack with the facilitators being the leader. Extreme socialising in a way and the dogs love it.
Ours goes a couple of time a week and combined with his visits to friends where we can have up to a dozen dogs of all types interacting it just makes life so much easier when taking them out in public.
All combined with training that sets boundaries as well of course.
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@crucial said in Dogs and bitches:
@antipodean said in Dogs and bitches:
Yeah I've circumvented the problem by building a small internal wall in the garage where his kennel is.
He has an awesome temperament given his size and breed can be intimidating to people who find out he's only six months old mistaking his friendliness and exuberance for something more sinister. Took him to a dog park and he loved it. Ran himself to a standstill, never barked or snarled at other dogs.
I don't know if you have anyone locally running a 'wolf pack' but they are brilliant. It's a different philosophy to 'doggy day care' where all the dogs find their place in the pack with the facilitators being the leader. Extreme socialising in a way and the dogs love it.
Ours goes a couple of time a week and combined with his visits to friends where we can have up to a dozen dogs of all types interacting it just makes life so much easier when taking them out in public.
All combined with training that sets boundaries as well of course.
The teenage stage is a pain but is also over quickly.All true. That mixing with other dogs really helps it seems. Hard to understand all of their emotions but they do communicate pretty well.
I hate leaving our little one at the "country retreat" but she adores the guy who runs it and vice versa. The interaction with the other dogs is great for her. It's only me that suffers.
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@snowy said in Dogs and bitches:
@crucial said in Dogs and bitches:
@antipodean said in Dogs and bitches:
Yeah I've circumvented the problem by building a small internal wall in the garage where his kennel is.
He has an awesome temperament given his size and breed can be intimidating to people who find out he's only six months old mistaking his friendliness and exuberance for something more sinister. Took him to a dog park and he loved it. Ran himself to a standstill, never barked or snarled at other dogs.
I don't know if you have anyone locally running a 'wolf pack' but they are brilliant. It's a different philosophy to 'doggy day care' where all the dogs find their place in the pack with the facilitators being the leader. Extreme socialising in a way and the dogs love it.
Ours goes a couple of time a week and combined with his visits to friends where we can have up to a dozen dogs of all types interacting it just makes life so much easier when taking them out in public.
All combined with training that sets boundaries as well of course.
The teenage stage is a pain but is also over quickly.All true. That mixing with other dogs really helps it seems. Hard to understand all of their emotions but they do communicate pretty well.
I hate leaving our little one at the "country retreat" but she adores the guy who runs it and vice versa. The interaction with the other dogs is great for her. It's only me that suffers.
I wish I could work out how to share it (it's in a locked group Insta page) but I have this video of all the dogs for the day arriving at the pack compound.
They all get picked up in the morning in a van.
If they just opened the van doors and let them run into the compound together it would be chaos as they sorted themselves out.So, all the dogs are wait to wait at the gate and they sit there patiently for their name to be called and let through. Just like kids. The ones that fidgit or try to move ahead of their turn get made to wait the longest. They soon learn how it works.
Anyway it is a hilarious watch as you'll get some little pug get called and proudly move their way through the big dogs with a look of smugness.
I have also seen a pack of about a dozen taken for a walk off lead and fully under control because they follow the lead of the hierarchy. You only need to tell one dog what to do and the rest follow. -
@snowy said in Dogs and bitches:
@crucial Pack mentality. Once they get it, they get it. Play nicely together stuff, just like we were taught (well, most of us).
Here's an explanation which I think is a pretty good summary...
The focus of my daycare is teaching and advocating for polite and appropriate social skills in a safe environment. The goal is to teach each dog to get on with the others, or at the very least tolerate each others’ presence...they don’t need to interact with dogs they don’t like, but just avoid them/confrontation.
Dog socialisation is not about getting up in every other dog’s face; it’s about being able to exist alongside others of their kind without losing their minds. This means that they do not need to be in an excited state of mind the entire time that they are around other dogs (in fact this can be very counterproductive if it is constant).
There is nothing wrong with excitement and playing so long as it is managed and contained. Dogs are not permitted to harass others or get to a point where they cannot be recalled or otherwise brought back to a calmer state of mind instantly. Some dogs don’t want to play with others or even have much to do with them and there is nothing wrong with this. All dogs are different in their social needs just like us.
Pushy dogs are taught that when another dog wants to be left alone and is giving out that body language, then the former dog must give the latter space. Interaction is not forced (if a dog wants to go sit in a quiet corner and have a nap, that’s totally fine and other dogs must leave them alone), but toleration of other dogs’ existence is mandatory.
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I work from home so there's no need for someone else to sit my dog. He gets walked for at least an hour every day and the dog park is for his sociability with other animals. He's already deferent to the cats.
@crucial said in Dogs and bitches:
There is nothing wrong with excitement and playing so long as it is managed and contained. Dogs are not permitted to harass others or get to a point where they cannot be recalled or otherwise brought back to a calmer state of mind instantly. Some dogs don’t want to play with others or even have much to do with them and there is nothing wrong with this. All dogs are different in their social needs just like us.
Pushy dogs are taught that when another dog wants to be left alone and is giving out that body language, then the former dog must give the latter space.His first playmate opportunity yesterday was an older dog that required a ramp to get into and out off the car. He clearly wasn't able to play so mine respected that and didn't get rambunctious, in fact was quite sedate. Once a 10 month old staffy turned up whoever the two of them went mental playing with each other.
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@antipodean Our little one is with one of us all day every day. She has her pack around her the whole time.
The only exception is a few days when she has to stay with the other dogs. It seems to work, best of both worlds.
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I've failed with our dog. Kind of gutted, but learned to live with it.
She's just complete addicted to my wife. Is literally a split personality of wife around / wife not around. Not sure where I went wrong, first year I think I walked her every single day, fed her, trained her. I think I've only got seriously angry with her once, when she ran away from us on a walk (she's been off-leash on walks since about 6 months old, is that good).
But now, will not really want to go walks with me. Will barely chase the ball and just sniffs. And in the evenings when the wife goes to bed, she just mopes back to her bed and lies there waiting for her to come down in the morning. Won't even jump up when the kids come down.
On the plus side, she didn't grow as much as expected and therefore is just a yappy little thing which doesn't really appeal to me much.
Oh well.
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@snowy said in Dogs and bitches:
@majorrage Well that sucks too. What a great day.
Dogs will change their attitude just like people though. They are smart.
This may be my problem. Great judge of character.
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@majorrage said in Dogs and bitches:
@snowy said in Dogs and bitches:
@majorrage Well that sucks too. What a great day.
Dogs will change their attitude just like people though. They are smart.
This may be my problem. Great judge of character.
Made me laugh.
Seriously though, try and have some fun with doggie. They pick up on it. One of the weird things that I was taught at dog training was that they are "sizeist", so bend down and get on their level in the morning. That sort of thing.
They love the affection, so if you aren't giving it, they aren't getting it - literally and figuratively. They will respond in kind. Don't give up. Strange about the kids. Do they interact much?
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@antipodean said in Dogs and bitches:
This puppy is awesome 99% of the time. The other one per cent he does things like chew wires off motorcycles when bored.
As has been said before, he will grow out of this, though it should also be remembered that firstly they are all different and will chew/not chew, grow out of it/not at different rates. What we found with our mutt was that boredom is a big thing, if he was not either being interacted with or knackered from same he was much more likely to turn into Satan. He is my daughter's dog and she does all her own research via twitter and Caesar Bloody Malan and consequently made some mistakes along the line. Chief one was lack of dog socialising which he really craved; she didn't want to have him interacting until she'd abso-bloody-lutey nailed his recall. When she finally relented it was amazing how his demeanour changed. He was always a lot more tired which made him calmer, his chewing stopped pretty quickly and his obedience improved markedly.
He's two and a half now and he's still learning (as are we) but even now we find that putting a little extra into it every now and again pays real dividends. One little whistle from me and he will come from anywhere in the house and we have four storeys so I'm pretty impressed with that as I don't get this from either the wife or either of the daughters.
I'd say the big things are consistency in your training and treatment of the mutt, putting a bt extra in now and again, be that affection, playing, praise or treats and giving him some time to be a dog rather than just a pet.
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@catogrande it was on the back of days of rain so his boredom was understandable. My fault he had access.
We try to make sure that he's exercised enough that he sleeps as a result. Given how well he interacts with other dogs, the dog park is a godsend. Now I don't have to devote 90-120 mins hiking up and down hills with him.
Recall isn't a problem off leash. It's harder to get significant seperation practising "stay" even on the local footy fields. So it turns into a mutual sprint session as he tries to catch me. 😂