NZ cricket 2021
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@donsteppa said in NZ cricket 2021:
@bayimports said in NZ cricket 2021:
@canefan said in NZ cricket 2021:
@shark said in NZ cricket 2021:
Didn't really rescue us in Australia in 19/20 though did he
Who did? IIRC Blundell was the only guy who emerged with his reputation enhanced.
really? ......wags might have something to say about that
I thought he meant of the batsman, but the grand total of two impressive players from that series reminds me of why I try to forget that series...!
What series?
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His average is 39.77 so Watling could very realistically nudge that above 40 over these last three tests. That would be some feat for a Kiwi keeper. Reminds me of the last few tests of Flems' career, also against England I think. Fleming couldn't manage a tenth test century (funny how at the time that seemed like a lot for a NZ batsman, and should have been much more but his conversion rate was abysmal), but he did scrape through with his average back above 40 to finish.
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@shark said in NZ cricket 2021:
His average is 39.77 so Watling could very realistically nudge that above 40 over these last three tests. That would be some feat for a Kiwi keeper. Reminds me of the last few tests of Flems' career, also against England I think. Fleming couldn't manage a tenth test century (funny how at the time that seemed like a lot for a NZ batsman, and should have been much more but his conversion rate was abysmal), but he did scrape through with his average back above 40 to finish.
According to who ? Cricinfo has it at 38.11 so he’s unlikely to get above 40.
Doesn’t matter though, a legend no matter what on account of that plus his keeping.
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@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
@shark said in NZ cricket 2021:
His average is 39.77 so Watling could very realistically nudge that above 40 over these last three tests. That would be some feat for a Kiwi keeper. Reminds me of the last few tests of Flems' career, also against England I think. Fleming couldn't manage a tenth test century (funny how at the time that seemed like a lot for a NZ batsman, and should have been much more but his conversion rate was abysmal), but he did scrape through with his average back above 40 to finish.
According to who ? Cricinfo has it at 38.11 so he’s unlikely to get above 40.
Doesn’t matter though, a legend no matter what on account of that plus his keeping.
Bailed us out more times than I can remember
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@canefan said in NZ cricket 2021:
@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
@shark said in NZ cricket 2021:
His average is 39.77 so Watling could very realistically nudge that above 40 over these last three tests. That would be some feat for a Kiwi keeper. Reminds me of the last few tests of Flems' career, also against England I think. Fleming couldn't manage a tenth test century (funny how at the time that seemed like a lot for a NZ batsman, and should have been much more but his conversion rate was abysmal), but he did scrape through with his average back above 40 to finish.
According to who ? Cricinfo has it at 38.11 so he’s unlikely to get above 40.
Doesn’t matter though, a legend no matter what on account of that plus his keeping.
Bailed us out more times than I can remember
Pun intended I hope
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@shark said in NZ cricket 2021:
@dogmeat said in NZ cricket 2021:
@mn5 Smithy had only played 3 tests when Knott retired and two full seasons when Marsh did.
Yeah I'm pretty sure Smith was regarded as being right up there come the late 80s. Quality glove work, two test centuries in a time when keepers only had to be handy with the bat, and a reputation for being able to hit a long ball after he equalled a world record for runs off a test over.
As I recall Smith was considered a world-class keeper and an unreliable if under-rated batsman with a beautiful but over-used cut.
He fixed that though in retirement, in later years he was far more well-rounded. -
@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
@canefan said in NZ cricket 2021:
@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
@shark said in NZ cricket 2021:
His average is 39.77 so Watling could very realistically nudge that above 40 over these last three tests. That would be some feat for a Kiwi keeper. Reminds me of the last few tests of Flems' career, also against England I think. Fleming couldn't manage a tenth test century (funny how at the time that seemed like a lot for a NZ batsman, and should have been much more but his conversion rate was abysmal), but he did scrape through with his average back above 40 to finish.
According to who ? Cricinfo has it at 38.11 so he’s unlikely to get above 40.
Doesn’t matter though, a legend no matter what on account of that plus his keeping.
Bailed us out more times than I can remember
Pun intended I hope
Not at all
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@bovidae Pretty tough not to go Watling over the others on these stats.
I've only seen highlights of Smith, but based on his reputation and watching the others, BJs runs will have come in much tougher spots than the others too. Later career McCullum was a better bat, but he'd been freed from having to do several hundred squats a match.
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For me, watling is the best all around of the 6 I have watched a fair bit of: Wadsworth, Lees, Smith, Parore, BMac and BJ. (Forget germon, Jock Edwards or young, all break glass situation or in Germon's case, regional parochialism run riot - the reuben thorne of NZ cricket
Of the 6, I actually rate Parore as the most technically proficient and smoothest of them all.
Wadsworth, Lees and Smith are pretty much all in a group - they had different strengths depending on the attack and conditions.
But in terms of all around contribution and glue, I'll take Watling everytime.
Lees, Parore and Smithy to some extent with his decision making while batting were loud personalities and could be a distraction. Wadsworth could be untidy although that may be more a case that he looked like he was perpetually just arisen from a 5 day bender. Bmac, a very good keeper but once he gave up the gloves he became a much much better player.
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@synicbast said in NZ cricket 2021:
For me, watling is the best all around of the 6 I have watched a fair bit of: Wadsworth, Lees, Smith, Parore, BMac and BJ. (Forget germon, Jock Edwards or young, all break glass situation or in Germon's case, regional parochialism run riot - the reuben thorne of NZ cricket
Of the 6, ****I actually rate Parore as the most technically proficient and smoothest of them all.
Wadsworth, Lees and Smith are pretty much all in a group - they had different strengths depending on the attack and conditions.
But in terms of all around contribution and glue, I'll take Watling everytime.
Lees, Parore and Smithy to some extent with his decision making while batting were loud personalities and could be a distraction. Wadsworth could be untidy although that may be more a case that he looked like he was perpetually just arisen from a 5 day bender. Bmac, a very good keeper but once he gave up the gloves he became a much much better player.
How desperate were we to have to play Parore as a specialist batsman though ? Even bearing in mind some of the donkeys who played for NZ his record in that department is pretty poor especially for someone who I remember being pretty proficient and good to watch at times.
McCullum could have very possibly had a Ross Taylor like record if he never kept wicket. Getting those huge scores that he did takes real talent.
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is there a related fast bowler element to these figures? I think Ian Smith was a superb keeper, but he wasn't keeping to so many quality fast bowlers...wondering whether statistically that may be a factor..
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@nostrildamus said in NZ cricket 2021:
is there a related fast bowler element to these figures? I think Ian Smith was a superb keeper, but he wasn't keeping to so many quality fast bowlers...wondering whether statistically that may be a factor..
One of them was pretty decent.......but fair to say Cairns, Snedden, Chats, Morrison etc weren’t what you’d call rapid.
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@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
@nostrildamus said in NZ cricket 2021:
is there a related fast bowler element to these figures? I think Ian Smith was a superb keeper, but he wasn't keeping to so many quality fast bowlers...wondering whether statistically that may be a factor..
One of them was pretty decent.......but fair to say Cairns, Snedden, Chats, Morrison etc weren’t what you’d call rapid.
you must be a young chap, in his day Morrison was considered relatively quick--we were obviously very very desperate..
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@nostrildamus said in NZ cricket 2021:
@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
@nostrildamus said in NZ cricket 2021:
is there a related fast bowler element to these figures? I think Ian Smith was a superb keeper, but he wasn't keeping to so many quality fast bowlers...wondering whether statistically that may be a factor..
One of them was pretty decent.......but fair to say Cairns, Snedden, Chats, Morrison etc weren’t what you’d call rapid.
you must be a young chap, in his day Morrison was considered relatively quick--we were obviously very very desperate..
Danny was pretty quick for a little guy. Had that high release to make the most of his reach. Had a bit of attitude too, in a Wags sort of way if I recall. Typical fast bowler mentality
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@canefan said in NZ cricket 2021:
@nostrildamus said in NZ cricket 2021:
@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
@nostrildamus said in NZ cricket 2021:
is there a related fast bowler element to these figures? I think Ian Smith was a superb keeper, but he wasn't keeping to so many quality fast bowlers...wondering whether statistically that may be a factor..
One of them was pretty decent.......but fair to say Cairns, Snedden, Chats, Morrison etc weren’t what you’d call rapid.
you must be a young chap, in his day Morrison was considered relatively quick--we were obviously very very desperate..
Danny was pretty quick for a little guy. Had that high release to make the most of his reach. Had a bit of attitude too, in a Wags sort of way if I recall. Typical
fast bowlershort man mentalityFIFY
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@crucial said in NZ cricket 2021:
@canefan said in NZ cricket 2021:
@nostrildamus said in NZ cricket 2021:
@mn5 said in NZ cricket 2021:
@nostrildamus said in NZ cricket 2021:
is there a related fast bowler element to these figures? I think Ian Smith was a superb keeper, but he wasn't keeping to so many quality fast bowlers...wondering whether statistically that may be a factor..
One of them was pretty decent.......but fair to say Cairns, Snedden, Chats, Morrison etc weren’t what you’d call rapid.
you must be a young chap, in his day Morrison was considered relatively quick--we were obviously very very desperate..
Danny was pretty quick for a little guy. Had that high release to make the most of his reach. Had a bit of attitude too, in a Wags sort of way if I recall. Typical
fast bowlershort man mentalityFIFY
Probably a bit of both!
